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DKB wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:57 pm I have to disagree with most everything in the original post. The law is clear: we have to show our LTC any time LE demands our ID. If you are driving they have every right to demand your DL.

I’ve been stopped twice while carrying in Texas. Both times I chose to: turn on my interior light, roll the windows all the way down, get my wallet in my hand, and then place both hands on the wheel before the officer arrived. I’ve also started carrying my insurance card in my wallet so I don’t have to reach for anything else during a stop.

When the officer asked for ID, I gave him my: DL, LTC & ins all at the same time and put my hand back on the wheel. He asked if I was carrying. I responded “Yes, on my right hip” and that was it. I kept my hands on the wheel and it was a non-issue. Both times I got off with warnings btw.

Cops have discretion to disarm you or not and to leave you in your car or not. Moving around is probably the easiest way to get removed from your car and disarmed.

Being still, moving slowly only when necessary, being polite, & speaking calmly is probably the easiest/safest way to avoid any drama.

everyone has the right to speak their mind. Luckily you have had good encounters with Law Enforcement and I truly wish you the best of luck in the future.

mojo84 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 9:46 am I do not believe multiple officers gave the advice stated in the original post. Neither a good or bad cop would give that advice. Bad cops do not advertise they are bad cops and good cops would never give such dangerous and ridiculous advice.

Have never ever heard a cop recommend anyone handle a gun for any reason at any point during a traffic stop. The castle doctrine comment even further reduces the credibility of the original post.

Looks to me like someone is just trying to stimulate conversation for conversations sake.

Question are you one of the people hired on here to "keep the peace" so to speak? That way if anyone tells the "truth" and if its bad/makes police look bad be sure and try to make them look like a lier? I think I know of one other thats doing the same thing just not going to point figers at that person yet..... Remember everyone not even the "bad" cops would do this lol, man get real. You took the handling of the weapon in the wrong context or I guess I should of explained it a lot better, maybe with Big Letter and Pictures.

mojo84 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 9:46 am I do not believe multiple officers gave the advice stated in the original post. Neither a good or bad cop would give that advice. Bad cops do not advertise they are bad cops and good cops would never give such dangerous and ridiculous advice.

Have never ever heard a cop recommend anyone handle a gun for any reason at any point during a traffic stop. The castle doctrine comment even further reduces the credibility of the original post.

Looks to me like someone is just trying to stimulate conversation for conversations sake.

Would you like names? I'm sure thats against the rules as far as you believing me couldn't really care less..

Liberty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 8:23 am Having weed on your person isn't considered a big deal these days with a lot of young people. Being armed while in possession esculates things.

Yes this would be a Very Bad thing to do.[ gun with illegal drugs=felony ], went from a Class B Misdemeanor way up!

When I took the LTC class the instructor had said you can have alcohol in your system if your under the legal limit. I kinda looked at him funny when he stated that. My suggestion is to NEVER have any alcohol in your system, now he also stated something about controlled substances in your system. I asked does it count if its through a Dr. He could not answer this question but did say it was a good question though

Does anyone know about the controlled substance if prescribed. Im sure there are more then a few on this forum who are prescribed some kind of medication.

Rob72 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:10 pm

narcissist wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 12:48 am I feel like the officer's would be at peace knowing your background was checked ect. Your bassically a good guy im just kinda confused when three different agencies/professionals warn me of what to do in the situation thats all.

Trust me im confused on what to do since this has been told to me by Law Enforcement officials. They way they had put it was its all about arrest numbers to make the officer look good and if for some reason they dont like the way you look watch out.

I do have tattoos in which they have told me to always keep coverd up due to "profiling". Basically if they dont like you in any way shape or form, attitude or otherwise they have had their own officers "brag" about committing these acts.

I respect Law Enforcement, they have a Heck of a hard job to do but just dont want a record just because I wore a short sleve shirt and he feels like I dont deserve the right to carry? Dont know if that makes sense or not?

"Profiling" tats- really, really, dated, and totally incorrect, unless you have some other tweeker characteristics. Tatoos are fairly ubiquitous at this time, particularly so among veterans, so unless you're toothless with a random spastic twitch, or have profoundly slurred speech, a glass pipe on your console, and/or an "I HATE PIGS!" t-shirt, being looked at askance because you're inked is more a rarity than a norm.

"...they have had their own officers "brag" about committing these acts." This is really bothersome. This indicates that they were directive authorities in establishing such behavior. "I ain't sayin' I ever dun it, but I shore told mah boys to!" really comes across there. Could be wrong, but what you quoted is pretty clear, in that they were supervisors and did not challenge or correct this behavior.

Personally, in Oklahoma (haven't been stopped in Texas) I always notified and carried on-body. No issues.

Where can I buy a shirt like that just telling the "truth" as I was told by upper Law Enforcement, heck one's my uncle still on the job. I'll keep my "pipe" at home luckily my twitch is gone now.

You are right about not correcting the behavior of the officer's they spoke of. Sad part is those certain officer's are getting acknowledged about the "good" they've done. I belive its politics that get in the way of doing what's right at times, afraid of retaliation ect. ?

Beiruty wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2019 11:57 pm

srothstein wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2019 10:40 pm

narcissist wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2019 9:48 pmYes but you can carry under castle law only even though you have a LTC.

This is the other part that is bothersome. You cannot carry under the castle doctrine in Texas. This is a philosophy and written into the law as the ability to defend yourself in your own home. It has been extended to defending yourself wherever you have the right to be. But it does not give you the authority to carry a weapon or have any ability to defend yourself when justified.

When you carry in your car without a license, you are actually carrying under the Motorist Protection Act (MPA). And this is irrelevant if you have an LTC because the laws requiring you to notify the officer apply to any person who has an LTC and has a weapon on or about his person, not if they are carrying under the authority of the LTC. For example, I carry under the authority of being a retired police officer (well, until tomorrow when my ID card expires) and I have an LTC. When I am stopped for a traffic violation, I am still legally required to show my LTC to the officer when he asks for my driver's license.

Correct, The only addendum, is that there is no more penalty for failure to notify/show the LTC to the patrol officer. I still do out of courtesy and personal duty.

I feel like the officer's would be at peace knowing your background was checked ect. Your bassically a good guy im just kinda confused when three different agencies/professionals warn me of what to do in the situation thats all.

Trust me im confused on what to do since this has been told to me by Law Enforcement officials. They way they had put it was its all about arrest numbers to make the officer look good and if for some reason they dont like the way you look watch out.

I do have tattoos in which they have told me to always keep coverd up due to "profiling". Basically if they dont like you in any way shape or form, attitude or otherwise they have had their own officers "brag" about committing these acts.

I respect Law Enforcement, they have a Heck of a hard job to do but just dont want a record just because I wore a short sleve shirt and he feels like I dont deserve the right to carry? Dont know if that makes sense or not?

carlson1 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2019 9:27 pm

Allons wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2019 9:24 pm

carlson1 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2019 9:15 pm

Allons wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2019 9:09 pm I've never done this. DPS officers now if you have an LTC if you are driving a car that is registered to you. I'm not sure about other Texas law enforcement thought. >

Your LTC in linked to your DL not your vehicle registration.

That's correct my mistake

Second part of that is all Texas LE have access to your LTC through your DL, but I have no ideal if out of State LE would have that access.

Yes but you can carry under castle law only even though you have a LTC.

03Lightningrocks wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2019 9:14 pm

narcissist wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2019 8:50 pm I've had one ex-dps officer, Sherrif, and a Cheif of police that said to never show your your LTC/Chl to the police officer while in your car. They all stated this in [ about ] the same way and at different times I must add "have the gun easily available and if for some reason you get stopped put it in the glove box, console ect. [ if they ask why you were reaching/moving around just state getting my insurance ]

If they ask is there a gun in the car state yes but you are carrying under. "Castle Law".

The reason's they stated are "they can and will most of the time disarm you plus then remove you from the vehicle". They said "its a Big Possibility they will lie". Example: staggering, bloodshot eyes, smell of alcohol, smell of Marijuana ect. just to have you do the Sobriety test in which Every Attorney will tell you to NEVER do. Problem is if you are carrying they add on additional charges also, more trouble then its worth.

If they want to run the serial number on your pistol you do not have to comply so you do not have to leave the vehicle. Of course they could always ask you to get out of the car but better to not get extra charges if they decide to "lie".

NOT stating all Law Enforcement are bad but when three different Law Enforcement officials tell you to be "Worried" I'm going to listen to their advice!!!

Not telling you to do this in any way shape or form, just a heads up thats all.

My question is, anyone else do this?

They are all admitting that they would do this? I am glad they are all retired. They are doing what I call projecting when they say these things.

Two are still active just the Dps officer is retired. I must of not explained it well enough. The Cheif and Sherrif is still active. They said others would do this not themselves by the way.

I've had one ex-dps officer, Sherrif, and a Cheif of police that said to never show your your LTC/Chl to the police officer while in your car. They all stated this in [ about ] the same way and at different times I must add "have the gun easily available and if for some reason you get stopped put it in the glove box, console ect. [ if they ask why you were reaching/moving around just state getting my insurance ]

If they ask is there a gun in the car state yes but you are carrying under. "Castle Law".

The reason's they stated are "they can and will most of the time disarm you plus then remove you from the vehicle". They said "its a Big Possibility they will lie". Example: staggering, bloodshot eyes, smell of alcohol, smell of Marijuana ect. just to have you do the Sobriety test in which Every Attorney will tell you to NEVER do. Problem is if you are carrying they add on additional charges also, more trouble then its worth.

If they want to run the serial number on your pistol you do not have to comply so you do not have to leave the vehicle. Of course they could always ask you to get out of the car but better to not get extra charges if they decide to "lie".

NOT stating all Law Enforcement are bad but when three different Law Enforcement officials tell you to be "Worried" I'm going to listen to their advice!!!

Not telling you to do this in any way shape or form, just a heads up thats all.

My question is, anyone else do this?