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The Annoyed Man wrote:But like I said earlier... you don't want me for president anyway.

Uh, more so than the President-Elect

srothstein wrote:I did not know there was a difference between a US national and a US citizen. I had never even heard of the two terms not being used as synonyms.

To clarify my earlier post, all US Citizens are US Nationals, but not all US Nationals are US Citizens. Nationals who are not citizens can carry US Passports but are marked as Nationals. They cannot vote in US Elections or hold US Public office.

Interestingly, Citizens who are residents of Puerto Rico fall under different tax law (federal income tax) than residents of the states and also cannot vote directly for President. They do participate in political party nominations however. If residency moves to a state, then Puerto Rican US voting is allowed. Likewise, if I for example move to PR, I cannot vote for President.

PR fields its own Olympic team.

Sorry, I'll try to not continue to hijack this thread!!!!

lrb111 wrote: I wonder why he did not present his BC at any point and have all this stopped. All he has done is present lawyers, that are trying to avoid presenting the BC.

Why, that's too simple. There you go, thinking again.

The Annoyed Man wrote:Obama was born in 1961. Hawaii was admitted as a state in 1959. Even so, as a territory, the residents of Hawaii had the rights of U.S. citizenship prior to 1959, just as current citizens of Puerto Rico (a U.S. territory) have all the rights of U.S. citizenship.

Not all territories qualify one for citizenship. You are correct, Puerto Ricans are US citizens. American Samoans are not. Even though a US territory, they are US Nationals, but not US Citizens, very different.

The Commonwealth of the Northern Marianas Islands has been associated with the US since the 1940s, but qualified residents did not become US citizens until the mid 1980s.

Being a current or former territory does not guarantee US Citizenship to those born there. I don't know how this applies to Hawaii or Arizona.

Not related the Barack Obama, just interesting trivia....