I would like to apologize for the tone of my previous post. It came out a bit harder than I had intended. Perhaps we can keep the dialog up a bit. I’m sure I’m not the only one who feels this way.
NOW I KNOW!!!! Thanks for letting me know why the 1 per 3 rule exists. It never made much sense but I definitely see your point and I support it. I won’t shoot pistols there anymore but more on that later.cdshoot wrote:.... but I wanted to let you know that the guards you think of as sun guards are actually there to keep people from shooting over the berm. As you folks know it is really building up out here and we take all possible precautions to make sure all shots stay on our property, that is the reason Carter’s, American and us have gone to the no double-taps or rapid-fire rules. ....
Actually, I don't think I said anything to your range officer at all. I may have replied with an apology although I really don't remember. It is waaay outside my nature to snap back at anyone. I was really more upset and embarrassed with myself because I couldn't do something as "simple" as "shooting slow" and I got busted for it. It wasn’t intentional and I really was trying to not double-tap but it's so engrained into my "muscle memory" that it just wasn't happening.cdshoot wrote:.... TD, I took a little offense at the way you spoke of my Range Officer, I understand your need to double-tap as I fuss at my concealed students all the time to learn how to do it, which is why we offer tactical classes or recommend that they go to Shiloh at least occasionally....
This happened a very long time ago. I don't remember seeing that many signs. BUT, you are correct. Even if there was only one, it is enough and I needed to respect it.cdshoot wrote:.... However, there are at least 10 signs stating no doubles or rapid on the range before you even start shooting....
I already mentioned why he had to tell me twice and the fact that I didn't talk back pretty much says that I did at least respect his position.cdshoot wrote:.... The fact that you said he had to tell you twice, I feel, says you had no respect for him.....
Again, thanks Cheryl, for taking the time to explain the rational behind the 1 per 3 rule. I also thank you for the heads up for Carters & American in as much as they have the same rule.
Now, this is funny. Dr. Ignatius Piazza, Masaad Ayoob, Clint Smith, and everyone else I’ve read up on all pretty much say to shoot until the threat stops but at a minimum, double taps are the rule, especially if you have one of those pea shootin’ 9mms like I got. So, if that makes me a cowboy then “Yee Hawwwww”, sign me up!!!! By the way, bad guys come in pairs so if a 2nd target can be setup, do it and double tap both of them.Wild William wrote:Hot Wells is just fine for handguns (and rifles) as long as you're not some cowboy wantabe dreaming you're at the OK corral facing up with Doc and the Earps.
Anyone who’s ever been in a sport, or learned a musical instrument or the like knows that it takes a lot of practice to master anything. In sports, a good coach will spend most of the practice on fundamentals doing drills. In music, the student is taught to practice scales over and over again. The reason for all of this is so the student will develop muscle memory for the basics. When the musician is performing a recital, the drills mean that he doesn’t have to think of the music note for note because it’s all there and it simply comes out. The baseball pitcher doesn’t have to think about how he’s going to throw a fastball because his body can do it no other way.
The key is practice. People will perform just like they practice. If mistakes are happening during practice and the coach has not corrected them during practice, it is folly to think that those mistakes will be corrected on game day. It’s just not gonna happen. Nerves will kick in and the body will default to what was drilled no matter how smart the person thinks they are.
Cheryl is correct. If you carry a pistol, get some training and learn how to do it right. THEN, find a place that lets you practice because shooting is the same way as learning to pitch a baseball. In a stressful situation, the person defending himself or herself is going to shoot/perform exactly how they practiced. If that shooter is not able to put multiple shots on target when needed and without having to think about each step other than the decision to actually shoot, then I doubt the outcome will be pleasant. I know that for myself, if I spend a lot of time shooting slow, then I’ll lose the option of being able to shoot fast instinctively. But, that’s just me I’m the one I have to worry about and that’s why I can’t shoot at Hot Wells.
I don’t practice my double/triple tap drills because I think it’s “cool”. I practice that way because it’s tactically sound. I do have a couple slow fire drills for working on concentration, trigger control, peripheral vision and precision but I always like to end my sessions with the “tactical” type drills.
Again, thank you Cheryl/cdshoot for taking the time to explain things. I apologize for my flippant attitude in putting down your business. It was extremely insensitive of me and uncalled for. It shouldn’t have happened and it won't happen again.
I do wish you all the best.
TdDude.
