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by The Annoyed Man
Wed Apr 15, 2009 4:36 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Newbie questions on CHL gun selection
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Re: Newbie questions on CHL gun selection

Excaliber wrote:From your picture it does look like the H&K provides much better support near the case head than what's found on the Glock where the feed ramp meets the chamber. That may account for the fact that I have not yet come across any "kaboom" accounts involving H&K's.
Egad! On closer inspection, it appears that I overlooked a little bit of schmutz next to the chamber the last time I cleaned the gun. I have just rectified that, and I feel SO much better! :mrgreen:
by The Annoyed Man
Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:21 am
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Newbie questions on CHL gun selection
Replies: 24
Views: 4056

Re: Newbie questions on CHL gun selection

Excaliber wrote:There have been a great many such reports, and the issue is summarized in the following Wikipdeia article. Scroll down below the cartridge background info for an outline of the problem.

My son had a first hand experience with this in a Glock 23. He didn't enjoy the experience, which blew the magazine out of the gun and numbed his hand. The exterior portion of the slide stop was never found. Fortunately, he received only minor cuts and no permanent damage. He was using reloads at the time. I suspect but can't prove that the projectile was set back into the case mouth as the round encountered the feed ramp, which sharply increased the internal pressure when the round was fired. He doesn't use .40S&W reloads at all anymore.
Then I stand corrected. Your story is the first "first hand" one I've seen. All I've seen before was generalizations on this board, but no specifics.

I've just inspected the way my H&K USPc chamber supports the case head (picture below), and it does not appear to have the same issue as the Glock.
by The Annoyed Man
Wed Apr 15, 2009 10:48 am
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Newbie questions on CHL gun selection
Replies: 24
Views: 4056

Re: Newbie questions on CHL gun selection

solaritx wrote:.40 caliber: a defense round with no purpose. The current 9mm equals the stopping power and this round was developed because of political correctness because some lawyers talked that the .45 was inhumane. bull, bull and more bull. I have also seen more catastrophic gun malfunctions in .40 than in any other caliber.
Mind you, I'm not a huge supporter of the .40 (my daily carry is a .45), but I do own, and occasionally carry, a .40 cal in the form of an H&K USP Compact. Perhaps it's true that the cartridge answers a question that fewer people are asking today, but you have to remember that it was developed because A) the 9mm offerings at the time left something to be desired; B) high capacity magazines for duty weapons were still desirable; C) many found the 10mm round too difficult to handle for "non-enthusiasts;" and D) it still wasn't the "evil .45" so feared by the politically correct. In my opinion, it is a limited round because it is already loaded to near maximum pressures in the standard offerings; but that being said, it is still a very effective round, and it still bridges the gap between the 9mm and the .45 ACP quite nicely (notice that you have to load your 9mm to +P pressures to get into the .40-.45 caliber performance range).

As to the reliability factor, I'm not sure the claim can be made and substantiated. While it is not my favorite pistol for reasons having nothing to do with reliability, my USP has digested something on the order of 1500-2000 rounds of .40 cal. now without a single malfunction. Ever. And I'm sure that other manufacturers like Glock, Smith & Wesson, Ruger, etc., etc., can all make the same claim. In my opinion, the biggest safety problem with the cartridge isn't the guns themselves, it is bullet setback from repeatedly rechambering the same round when unloading/reloading the pistol. Since the cartridge is already loaded to near maximum pressure, bullet setback runs the risk of increasing case pressures to beyond SAAMI maximum specifications for the cartridge - putting the firearm/shooter at risk if the pressure gets too high. All the same, I don't think there are that many documented cases of this actually happening. I wouldn't recommend testing it, but the truth is that, for product liability reasons, most firearms manufacturers - at least those with the best reputations - build their guns to withstand a fair amount of abuse before catastrophic failure ever puts the user at risk. . . .my point being that, while taking things too casually isn't good, getting too worried about them isn't necessary either.

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