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MONGOOSE wrote:Why should anyone give a hoot about someone's impression of them? That is a you problem. Just as I could care less about of an anti gunners impression of me because I hang out with other CHLrs or go to the range and shoot with other gun owners.

ScottDLS wrote:Seems kind of Constitutionally dubious to me. That whole free association thing and stuff. But since we're regularly told CHL is a "privilege" like a DL, I have an idea... How about no DL's for Gang Members?

Last line of my previous post:

The Annoyed Man wrote:I'm not saying one way or the other if that is a good or bad thing. I'm just reporting what the law says.

VoiceofReason wrote:

Abraham wrote:Stew,

If you want to be believed and accepted here, you'll have to work a bit harder at convincing the members you're being mistreated by LE by being more forthcoming.

If not interested in being accepted here, O.K., but the perception at this point is you are quite possibly a member of an outlaw biker gang and as such few here will provide you much sympathy or support.

If you're not part of an outlaw MC, why not provide enough information to exonerate yourself in the eyes of the members here?

So, what you are saying is that if someone is a member of an outlaw biker gang with no record, It is OK for the police to arrest them for no turn signal, search their bike, take their legal firearm, refuse to return it and have their CHL revoked?

Just asking.

Same as if a person is a member of the Crips or Bloods. It's a known gang affiliation with a known criminal enterprise, which is a disqualifier for CHL in Texas......even if YOU are not committing any of the gang's crimes.

TPC § 46.02

Sec. 46.02. UNLAWFUL CARRYING WEAPONS.

• (a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries on or about his or her person a handgun, illegal knife, or club if the person is not:
  • (1) on the person's own premises or premises under the person's control; or
    (2) inside of or directly en route to a motor vehicle or watercraft that is owned by the person or under the person's control.
  (a-1) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries on or about his or her person a handgunin a motor vehicle or watercraft that is owned by the person or under the person's control at any time in which:
  
  • (1) the handgun is in plain view; or
    (2) the person is:
    • (A) engaged in criminal activity, other than a Class C misdemeanor that is a violation of a law or ordinance regulating traffic or boating;
      (B) prohibited by law from possessing a firearm; or
      (C) a member of a criminal street gang, as defined by Section 71.01.

TPC § 71.01

Sec. 71.01. DEFINITIONS. In this chapter,

• (a) "Combination" means three or more persons who collaborate in carrying on criminal activities, although:
  • (1) participants may not know each other's identity;
    (2) membership in the combination may change from time to time; and
    (3) participants may stand in a wholesaler-retailer or other arm's-length relationship in illicit distribution operations.
  (b) "Conspires to commit" means that a person agrees with one or more persons that they or one or more of them engage in conduct that would constitute the offense and that person and one or more of them perform an overt act in pursuance of the agreement. An agreement constituting conspiring to commit may be inferred from the acts of the parties.
  (c) "Profits" means property constituting or derived from any proceeds obtained, directly or indirectly, from an offense listed in Section 71.02.
  (d) "Criminal street gang" means three or more persons having a common identifying sign or symbol or an identifiable leadership who continuously or regularly associate in the commission of criminal activities.

You don't have to actually commit the crimes. You just need to be a member of an identifiable group of people who do.

I'm not saying one way or the other if that is a good or bad thing. I'm just reporting what the law says.

Richbirdhunter wrote:

The Annoyed Man wrote:

Richbirdhunter wrote:If you look like thug you get treated like a thug. I'm not being disrespectful, I don't know you I've never seen you but when I see a motorcycle "club" I give them a lot of room. Just like I would the bloods "club" or the crips "club". When I see a motorcycle "club" I don't think they're on there way to a bible study.

My small group Bible-study leader showed up last night on his Harley, wearing his colors (he leads it, we host it). I have no idea of how many patches he has. What I do know is that he also evangelizes at Sturgis each year, and about a dozen people committed their lives to Christ this year after meeting with him.

Just sayin'.........

Then they all must be good, because we live in a time that if 100% of a group of people aren't bad then none of them are.

You're putting words in my mouth. At no time did I say that they all must be good. What I am saying is that you can't ALWAYS tell the book by its cover. Personally, I think that big colorful tats, body piercings, and freaky hair are off-putting, and it is not something I would do to myself. But I have also known some amazing Christians who fit that mold. My point being that if you had seen my small group leader and some of his "bikers for Christ" friends riding by and had given them a wide berth because they don't look like your definition of an "upstanding citizens", then you would have been judging them unfairly.

No doubt SOME bikers are trash, and that reputation is well-earned. Also no doubt that some of that trash are dangerous, criminally minded people..... and that reputation is well earned. But that doesn't mean that everybody on a chopped big inch Harley wearing a vest with patches on it is a dangerous, criminally minded person. So yeah, when you unfairly judge someone according to their appearance, you are being disrespectful, IMHO.

YMMV.

OTH, if the OP is riding with a known group of trouble-makers, then yeah, they shouldn't be surprised at how they are treated. Since the OP has not identified the group he was riding with, then any conclusions drawn here are mere speculation.

Richbirdhunter wrote:If you look like thug you get treated like a thug. I'm not being disrespectful, I don't know you I've never seen you but when I see a motorcycle "club" I give them a lot of room. Just like I would the bloods "club" or the crips "club". When I see a motorcycle "club" I don't think they're on there way to a bible study.

My small group Bible-study leader showed up last night on his Harley, wearing his colors (he leads it, we host it). I have no idea of how many patches he has. What I do know is that he also evangelizes at Sturgis each year, and about a dozen people committed their lives to Christ this year after meeting with him.

Just sayin'.........