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I agree... I never meant to say that I, mylsef would every do something like that. It was merely an academic discussion that spiraled off of a comment about deadly force use to prevent a suicide and how deadly force does not always equal causing death. Sas to not too much I leave it with, I would never think about doing it, it was more of do you have the right to do so. I would leave it to the professionals as they get paid the big pucks for it ! So with that. . back to lurking and keeping my mouth shut

So what you are telling us is that you would purposefully aim for a portion of the body, that in the event you choose to use "deadly force" the result you intend to produce is more likely to not result in death???

I just want to be absolutely sure that is what you mean...[/quote]

Well, sort of. If I had a taser or less than lethal round of shotgun, etc and had confidence in it then I would use that. We are talking someone trying to kill themselves, so I could see someone TRY to disarm, incapacitate or immobilize with a well aimed round (at close range). You read about instructors telling to students to aim for the hip to get an aggressor to stop, etc.
I was actually thinking of this clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ff4XuPtAOUk" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
If that bullet hit the guys head or heart, I am sure it would have been deadly, but it didn't. Even if it hit his hand or arm where he couldn't pull the trigger, he couldn't kill himself. NOW, I would not even THINK about doing anything like that, other than if I had an immediate family member in that situation and I didn't think I could wait. I;m not saying I would just shoot them anywhere are hope that my bullet would do less damage than the one they were intending for themselves.

stevie_d_64 wrote:

TexasVet wrote:Well, using deadly force does not mean that you will kill them. Shooting someone's hand, limbs, non vital areas is still using deadly force, but to prevent a deadly effect.

"...when you can snatch the pebble from my hand..."

I didn't say I could do it.. I just said that using deadly force does not always mean killing someone. In fact most people shot with handguns survive, so Id rather shoot someone somewhere less lethal to stop them from putting a bullet in their brain where it is more likely to kill them...

Well, using deadly force does not mean that you will kill them. Shooting someone's hand, limbs, non vital areas is still using deadly force, but to prevent a deadly effect.