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seamusTX wrote:But it suggest one of three possiblities:

• No one has been caught.
• No one carries in the post office.
• The post office is not interested in enforcing this regulation at the local level.

- Jim

Point one: I've never heard of anyone being arrested for CC'ing on USPS property.

Point two: Who knows?

Point three: Questionable. If they were not interested in enforcing this regulation, one has to wonder why they bothered amending the regulation earlier this year with the specific intent of preventing legal CC. Maybe the local Postmasters don't really care to enforce the regulation?

stroo wrote:If not public, then it would be safer to assume such an agreement than to assume there is no agreement.

It's a definite possibility and probably a lot more likely in this post-9/11 world than some would think. We know that the USPS is concerned about this issue due to the recent amendments to the code. If they haven't already, it wouldn't surprise me to find out that they are in the process of making sure that such agreements are standard procedure.

If my name was Bubba and I lived in nowhere Texas and went fishing with the Postmaster every Saturday, I wouldn't worry about it. But I live in the big city where politics and lilly-livered, gun-phobic city slickers rule the roost. I don't think my Postmaster, who put up with 20 years of gov'ment headache to get the job, is going to do anything to keep me from going to the pokey when it's found out that good ol' Photoman has a .45 under his shirt.

Then again, maybe I'm just wearing a tin-foil hat.

Local law enforcement can enforce Title 39 Part 232 when both parties (local Postmaster and local PD) agree. Better?

No matter how much we drugstore lawyers micro-analyze this, the bottom line is:

If you are caught with a gun on USPS property, you can be arrested.

I want to encourage everyone to read Title 39 Part 232 before carrying your concealed handgun onto United States Postal Service property, which does include parking lots. Make sure you read the current, amended version.

The USPS does not want your concealed handgun on their property. They are amending their regulations to close any perceived loopholes regarding this subject. Local law enforcement CAN enforce this regulation if your local Postmaster agrees.

Finally, I would like to apologize to Charles and the readers for the inappropriate language I used in previous posts. I really appreciate the information available on this forum and enjoy participating, for the most part, in the various subjects posted regarding the legal concealed carry of firearms in Texas and would truly regret losing the privilege of posting here.

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txinvestigator wrote:

Photoman wrote:

txinvestigator wrote: No, a Texas LEO cannot "detain" you for violation of a federal law. Unless you can show me the law that grants them said authority.

It's in there. The Postmaster can grant authority to local law enforcement.

No, it is not "in there". There is a reason I asked him to "show me". That reason is because there is no such law. Asking to "show me" was to prevent the "trust me, its there" response.

Texas Peace Officers get their authority from the Texas Code of Criminal Procedure. That authority does not include enforcing federal laws.

There is federal law stipulating how federal LE obtains their authority. It does not include the postmaster granting authority to non-federal employees.

However, to be fair, if you can show me the law, I will apologize and tell everyone that I am NOT smarter than a 5th grader. ;)

From Title 39 Part 232 Section 232.1:


(q) Enforcement. (1) Members of the U.S. Postal Service security force shall exercise the powers provided by 18 U.S.C. 3061(c)(2) and shall be responsible for enforcing the regulations in this section in a manner that will protect Postal Service property and persons thereon.

(2) Local postmasters and installation heads may, pursuant to 40 U.S.C. 1315(d)(3) and with the approval of the chief postal inspector or his designee, enter into agreements with State and local enforcement agencies to insure that these rules and regulations are enforced in a manner that will protect Postal Service property.

(3) Postal Inspectors, Office of Inspector General Criminal Investigators, and other persons designated by the Chief Postal Inspector may likewise enforce regulations in this section.

Not to mention the Federal "rap" sheet.

KBCraig wrote:For all this hooplah, it's still only a $50 fine.

Where can I find out more on this?

GlockenHammer wrote: But this isn't just about guns. Keep in mind also folks that this regulation applies equally to your pocket knife with a blade longer than 2-1/2 inches (18 USC 930 definition). And since the Postal Regulation applies to the parking lot as well as the building, having a leatherman in your truck tool box is just as illegal as carrying your 1911 up to the front desk, so these minor details on interpretation can be important.

Notice that in the amended code, 18 USC 930 is not used.

Thanks Skippr. That's the one.

I suggest everyone google "72 FR 12565" and read the 16 March 2007 amendment to 39 CFR Part 232 in the Federal Register Volume 72, Number 51, page 12565.