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by Beiruty
Tue Aug 16, 2011 1:03 am
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: FFL still running E-Check when i have a CHL holders
Replies: 47
Views: 9133

Re: FFL still running E-Check when i have a CHL holders

Bullwhip wrote:All these replies, nobody pointed out the whole detention was wrong? I support the 4A just as much as the 2A and 1A. No evidence of anything illegal but both are detained and questioned and ATF is involved (looks like ATF has an illegal database too).

The police in this case need to :rules:
We know that the local LEO can disarm CHLer at will. However, cuffing and detaining in the back of the cruiser is as you pointed out is a grey area and something new. I would like to have active LEO comment, if the temp detention is justified and legal. BTW, if the gun that was supposed to sold was a handgun and was seen by LEO, the OP could have been charged with failure to conceal. However, I assume it was not the case. I assume both handguns were in their hard cases, or concealed in a case.

What was the response of the officer when he discovered the 2 other handguns on the driver seat?
by Beiruty
Fri Aug 12, 2011 7:08 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: FFL still running E-Check when i have a CHL holders
Replies: 47
Views: 9133

Re: FFL still running E-Check when i have a CHL holders

9mmlover,

I am also born in Beirut and lucky enough I am not on the radar yet. However, I have nothing to hide or be afraid of. So, after "checks" life goes on.
I wonder why the gun was visible on the street? were you do the swap in public place i.e. on the street?
In your case, I would perfer to have all trades done or transfers to be done at an FFL, even if there would be an NICS check.

Thanks for sharing your story.

Good luck.
9mmLover wrote:Im in Sugar Land, abut 20 miles south west of Houston. He lives right down the street from me.

the reason i ask is yesterday, while doing a gun trade with a guy i met on texas gun trader, Houston police drove by and saw the gun, and immediately approached us. I put my hands up before he could get out of the car and identified myself as a CHL holder with a weapon at 9oclock.

he disarmed me, then ran both parties IDs to check for warrants. next thing i know, there's 3 unmarked cars pulling up. BATFE agents. they run all the guns and one of them- one that belonged to the the other guy, came up as stolen from another state- but it was a false positive as the serial number was off 1 letter.

anyways while i was temporarily detained in the back of the squad car, and ATF agent came in and went to a website, and i recognized a date- it was my 18th birthday- the day i bought my first gun- a shotgun from academy, and it had what i am assuming to be an approval number for the 4473, and there was a column for FFL #. didnt say the make/model/serial number, but he basically had a list of every 4473 i ever filled out. there was about 8 or 9, the most recent being earlier this year, which went through the FFL in question.

in the end everything checked out and we were allowed to do our deal and go on our way. none the less im sure im on the ATFs radar because my first name is Mohammed, and i was born in Dubai, United Arab Emirates, but i moved here in 10th grade in 1999, and am a naturalized citizen. heck i havent left the country and ive lived in the same county-fort bend- since moving here.

i was surprised to see the ATF knows of every 4473 filled out and the name to go with it.

as a CHL holder, i thought all he was doing was filling out a spreadsheet of some sort for his records, but now that i think about it, he was doing an E-Check because after reading some stuff off the 4473, he would type it in, then im sure he got an NTN which he wrote onto the 4473 and signed it.

i will be looking for another FFL.
by Beiruty
Fri Aug 12, 2011 11:19 am
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: FFL still running E-Check when i have a CHL holders
Replies: 47
Views: 9133

Re: FFL still running E-Check when i have a CHL holders

It is not illegal to do NICS check when you have a CHL. It was reported that Academy is doing the same. If you do not like your FFL, find a new one.

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