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Excaliber wrote:

Tallinthesaddle wrote:Separate from this incident, I honestly do not believe that enough is taught in CHL class about the use of deadly force.
Incidents and senario's should be discussed along with their consequences.
Thanks to everyone for their comments.

Tallinthesaddle wrote:Let's see, my mother was beaten and robbed when she was 60 and about $40,000 in cash and goods were taken. No suspects ever found. My dad had two trucks stolen and drove into a playa lake and his truck shop burglarized twice. No suspects found. I have had four spare tires stolen from my truck and car at separate times, years ago I had a set of custom wheels and tires stolen. No suspects found. Had a cotton stripper stolen and no suspects.

You're right. It's time to move on to another forum.

You'd do yourself a disservice to give up on this forum so quickly.

It's apparent that you've had some very disturbing personal experiences with crime and its consequences, and I certainly understand that you would have very strong feelings about this as well.

You'd get no argument from me in believing that the CHL class is not a comprehensive review of the laws surrounding use of deadly force, incident fact patterns, or their consequences. It would be more useful to see the class as an introductory primer or high level overview rather than in depth training. When you finish the course, you're not done - you've only just started on a very long journey toward knowledge and competence in managing responses to criminal behavior.

One of the most valuable aspects of this forum is that it offers members a place to share details of real world incidents and have the fact patterns reviewed by others with more knowledge and experience in managing criminal encounters. This process lets each of us learn from the experiences of others, and helps us build the best of the "lessons learned" into our own planning for the time when we may find ourselves in similar situations.

This process necessarily involves hindsight and brings up questions and opinions which are often uncomfortable for the person who actually lived through the incident. None of these are intended to embarrass or belittle the person who shared the experience. They are learning points intended to help the original poster think about his incident from perspectives he may not have considered, and to educate others who may not have ever had a similar experience but want to be prepared if they face one in the future.

Forum members tend to react fairly strongly when the facts related in a post indicate that deadly force was used without legal or moral justification because they are very sensitive to how precarious our second amendment rights are at this time in history, and want to avoid giving any ammunition that could be portrayed as irresponsible use of firearms by CHL holders to those who would like to ban gun ownership entirely. It's a group effort to keep each other within the bounds of the law and gain respect from some of those who view us with suspicion or fear. Critques of mistakes posted here are much less costly than when they are critiqued by the criminal justice system.

It would appear that you had some reservations about your own actions as indicated by your statement that you omitted certain relevant information in your incident report to law enforcement, and I suspect that some of the legal issues raised by forum members may well have involved things you were unaware of or hadn't given much thought to before.

I invite you to take the after action review posts in the spirit in which they were intended, and continue to enjoy the benefits of forum membership by learning from the experiences of others.