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jmra wrote:

wheelgun1958 wrote:From what I have gleaned from the 'net, the Will Rogers Center is a public facility. This includes the Amon Carter Exhibit Hall.

http://www.fortworthgov.org/publicevents/wrmc/

Looks like you might be right. It appears that Mantra has it listed incorrectly as privately owned. Think I will call the information center and ask.

Let us know what you find out!

Embalmo wrote:Guys,

So if a 30.06 sign at a gun show is a good idea where NDs can occur, perhaps we should ask shop keepers to post them everywhere to maximize the safety of everyone. I think what has happened at gun shows is that the laws haven't been enforced to the point where bone-head CHLs have come to believe they're at a gun party with all their friends. I bought a gun at the Saxet gun show and while looking for a Ruger P90, a CHL next to me pulled his out and handed it to me. I didn't have a CHL at the time, so I thought it was legal.

I think big signs, dealers who demand compliance, and LEOs who enforce the rules would fix the problem. I personally haven't seen an application yet where a 30.06 has made anyone safer.

Embalmo

I agree. Have LEOs standing by to give citations, cuff, or suspend licenses for anybody who intentionally fails to conceal. Word will get around and the "bad apples" will get weeded out. If people don't have enough common sense to properly carry concealed at the gun show, then they shouldn't be carrying anywhere. . . or there's a major gap in the "education" we're supposed to be receiving during the course.

chuckybrown wrote:Ok, I often read on this site that we write businesses that post 30.06 signs. We write municipalities that incorrectly post properties.

Yet, for some reason, we're not as proactive with the organizations that run these gun shows? It's almost hypocritical!!!!

I can carry into any gun shop I can think of, yet to save a $, we all arrive without our weapons, or allow them to be rendered inoperative in order to enter the shows.

What are your thoughts? Should we all begin to collectively stand up and become a voice? My gosh, could you imagine the pressure if attendence began to fall off, and they knew why?

My .02 cents.

Your .02 cents???????????

I agree with you 100%. I've made two gun show purchases, but I've become more and more bothered by the 30.06 thing. All of the arguments for ignoring it would be blown up by the CHL crowd in any other context.

Here's what I'm seeing:
It's probably a government building, just ignore it.
Usual responses in other situations:
- But the cops at the door think it's valid. Do you want to be a test case?
- They've shown you they don't want you there whether it's valid or not.

Why all of the work to get the ones at other municipal-owned buildings taken down? The zoo. The Fair. City Halls. I've seen people involve attorneys and DPS to get signs removed when they aren't allowed. Why not at gun shows in government-owned buildings?

Too many crazies. What if somebody got shot? Too many people close together.
In other situations:
- The CHL crowd is trained and educated. They know the laws. They are law-abiding. They spent hundreds of dollars, went to class, and underwent background checks for the license they hold. They aren't the problem, the BGs are.
- What if a BG was there? Defenseless victim zone! Defenseless victim zone!

FWIW, a CHLer should know that this is a public place and that intentionally failing to conceal his CCW is against the law. They cannot draw their concealed firearm inside the show. If they want to measure it for accessories, they need to go to the car, unload it, secure it, and go back in. If they need protection, they need a different firearm. If you find a holster or part for the concealed gun in your waistband, pocket, or fanny pack, you cannot try it out unless you go into a private place and disarm the firearm and have the LEOs check it at the door. Ask the vendor to hold the item for you until you return. The CHL courses could teach this simple principle. LEOs could enforce the law that any CHLer drawing a CCW in the show is arrested and charged with failure to conceal. These arguments do not hold muster.

They have police at the door and tons of dealer who could load something in a bad situation, so you're safe.
- I'm still trusting somebody ELSE for my security, not myself.
- What if they can't get to me in time? I don't care if the BG is stopped AFTER I'm hit.
- What about the walk to the car through the parking lot? I don't get a personal escort there.

Again, we don't accept these statements in any other situation.

I like gun shows. . . and I have supported them in the past, but honestly - the prices recently have been inflated to capitalize on fears and gouge uninformed shoppers. I don't want to see them go, but I also don't want to compromise my principles to support them, especially when they are core principles that we hold to everywhere else.

I wasn't going to chime in but felt like chucky should know that he's not alone.