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SigOperator02 wrote:Well allow me to retort. If reading is fundamental then you should have read it again because I never said you’re retarded, I said that the advice given to the man was retarded and nowhere did I call you or another member that posted by name in my post. Meaning as in you have chosen to take offense! Just because I chose random lines from advice given that I didn’t like was me being “free to disagree” with what was being said. So who is really being childish by threating to have someone booted from a forum for taking something personal that was not meant to be? If you want, I will be your Huckleberry!

Well, alrighty then. I'm going to clarify a couple of things and then bow out of the thread, because I've shared my own experience with lasers (which ironically, agrees with you) and don't want to ruin the OPs thread with pointless bickering.

First, I am not a moderator or administrator, so I wasn't threatening to have you booted off the forum because I don't have the authority to do so. I was attempting to give you some friendly advice on the forum rules. From past experience, the mods usually don't see a lot of difference between calling advice stupid and the member who posted it stupid. As I said, we're free to disagree but in order to keep the forum friendly, they usually prefer that we do so in a more polite manner. You are free to take the advice, or not. No "threat" implied.

Second, I am not offended by what a random person I don't know says online, so no hurt feelings on this side of the computer screen.



Moby, sorry the thread got derailed. I apologize for my part in that.

Since I was that "retarded" person who said to take advice on Concealed Carry from a SEAL with a grain of salt, allow me to respond. By the way, I'd advise you to check the site rules. Calling members names is a pretty quick way to find yourself no longer welcome. We're free to disagree, but name calling is generally frowned upon (and fairly juvenile behavior to boot).

In addition, breaking a long post into paragraphs makes your posts easier to read and makes it easier on the rest of the forum, IMO.

SigOperator02 wrote:what color is the sky in your world?

Since I'm actually pretty close to you (Bell County instead of Coryell) it's the same color your sky is on most days.

No matter if you’re a CAG, SF, SEALs, MARSOC, TXDPS or Joe Blow down the street; we all have the same goal of surviving the gunfight!

Absolutely, the goal is the same. But the options you have and the decisions you need to make to reach that goal are going to be vastly different depending on whether you're in a firefight with a fire team supporting you, a cop at a traffic stop gone wrong, or 'joe blow' who's out on the town with his wife.

I have to believe that the SEAL has a bit to say about target acquisition more than some random civilian firearms trainer that has probably never fired under pressure or even a LEO that has fired his gun a couple of times. Yeah, the guy has logged over 10,000 rounds a year into targets and bad guys is not the guy I should be listening to! I think that it is time for some of y’all to check the inexperience at the door and listen to professionals like his SEAL friend.

Reading is fundamental. In no way did I try to say that a SEAL doesn't know how to shoot.

There are a couple of distinctions that need to be made here:

Just because a guy is a great shot and has had lots of shooting experience doesn't mean that he is any good at passing that information on to others in a manner beneficial to their own development as a shooter. In sports, great players do not always become great coaches. The same is true for shooting.

Additionally, unless someone is going to TRAIN like a SEAL and "shoot 10,000 rounds a year" as you put it, he or she may never reach proficiency with something even a good SEAL teacher tries to pass on to them.

Heck, a lot of people have trouble with simple tasks like consistently hitting a stationary target at 20 feet (while also stationary), clearing stoppages, and drawing from concealment. Until they're able to get basics down, having a SEAL show them how the teams do things isn't really very helpful, and could be downright dangerous.

In summary: Everything a SEAL, a cop, a civilian firearms instructor, or you buddy Earl down the street tells you about how you should carry, shoot or train should be taken with a grain of salt and evaluated against your own knowledge base, skills and personal experiences.

Is that really such a terrible thing to say?

Sorry for any misunderstanding, I was not trying to accuse anyone of being a wanna be seal.

Just think it's important for us to draw distinctions between what is good tactics/gear for a CHL holder vs a Special Forces guy.

They're distracting and I hated how I had a tendency to chase the laser around the target when I tried to use it.

I sold the only pair of laser grips I had. I can see how they might be useful with plenty of training, but I prefer not to use them.

Edit: One more thought.....take any advice your SEAL friend gives you about civilian carry issues with a slight grain of salt.

No doubt those guys have tons of excellent training and have nothing but my respect. But, the problems and scenarios they trained for and faced are for the most part vastly different than what most of us average guys in Texas are ever going to face. Doing something one way or another just because the SEALs or the Army or the police do it is the first step on the road to failure for most CHL carriers, IMO. Different set of problems, different skillsets/tools needed for success.

My .02