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by JJVP
Fri May 20, 2011 9:38 pm
Forum: 2011 Texas Legislative Session
Topic: HB 3639 - SB 1581
Replies: 383
Views: 87293

Re: HB 3639 - SB 1581

Charles L. Cotton wrote:I'm mad, frustrated, and disappointed just like everyone else. When the point-of-order was sustained on SB1581, I saw 3 years of work spiral down the political toilet. Alice and the NRA lobbyist felt the same way, perhaps even worse. I've drafted then deleted three posts and this probably isn't the best time for me to "talk" about this session. I'm mad at key people in Austin and I don't want to say something I regret and offend friends here on TexasCHLforum. I do want to make these general statements.

Everything that could possibly be done for campus-carry was done. Senator Wentworth battled harder for this legislation than most legislators do for any bill. The 2/3 rule in the Senate is and always has been a controversial subject. Many years ago we used it to block anti-gun legislation. In recent years, it has worked against us, but not often. I still don't like it.

I want to be candid about the campus-carry bills this session. While it's easy to point to two Senators and say they cost us campus-carry, that's not necessarily accurate. The truth is the opposition to campus-carry was absolutely huge and it was constant. For every pro campus-carry call, fax, or email sent, there were hundreds in opposition. And it never stopped; the calls and emails were coming to the very end. In all my years of legislative work, I've never seen the level of opposition to a gun bill, or any other bill for that matter. For those who watched the hearings in the House and Senate, the daily opposition ran just as strong.

The real irony is that some of the strongest opposition came from the very people we were trying to help -- college students and faculty. That's a hard fact to ignore when you are an elected official. I have no idea why it was so much stronger this session than last, and it certainly wasn't John Woods, though he'll likely take credit for it. He simply doesn't have the influence at the student/faculty level, much less with the deep pocket donors to universities who opposed the bills just as strongly.

It's clear there is a lot of educating that needs to be done before campus-carry passes. We have to remember that the general public simply doesn't care about this issue and the idea of "guns in school" still strikes fear in the hearts of many of those who are not as well educated on the facts of concealed carry and self-defense as are those in the active shooting community. It's not their fault, nor ours, it just the way it is. We have to change that through education.

There is a clear problem in the House and I'll report on that later. For now, let's all just take a step back, cool off, and plan calmly for the 2012 election and the 2013 legislative session. To do otherwise is an exercise in futility and we may damage relationships so vital to success in future sessions.

To the extent some of my posts may have already offended some, I truly apologize. Even grizzled old trial lawyers can get testy now and then. As always, thanks for your support of Texas gun owners.

Chas.
Charles, as you I am very frustrated and have, at times let my frustration get the best of me. I personally don't hold you responsible for what happen and have the utmost respect for all you have done. If I have said anything you thought was directed at you, I apologize. It was not you I was mad at. Again thanks for all you have done. :tiphat:
by JJVP
Fri May 20, 2011 9:01 pm
Forum: 2011 Texas Legislative Session
Topic: HB 3639 - SB 1581
Replies: 383
Views: 87293

Re: HB 3639 - SB 1581

baldeagle wrote:
warhorse10_9 wrote:
baldeagle wrote:
warhorse10_9 wrote:baldeagle, I completely understand how upset you are, I am upset to. Instead of taking out your frustration on Senator Wentworth or other people who actually supported the bill the entire time. I would look at the people who didn't.
Why? There will always be opposition. Supporters aren't really supporters if they can't get it done. Results are what matter, not rhetoric. And the Republicans have utterly failed at producing results. Why, then, should they get a pass?
Again, I will bring up the point of the tables being turned. Are you saying that in the event the Republicans had a minority of seats that you would vote them out of office since they couldn't pass the legislation you wanted.
That is NOT what I am saying. The Republicans had the majority and couldn't get it done. What good are they? We might was well have 31 Democratic Senators.
warhorse10_9 wrote:[Senator Wentworth and other supporters did all they could to pass this legislation given the circumstances. You cannot stall the entire legislative session for one piece of legislation.
Sorry, but that's not true. The Republicans COULD have told the Dems, either this bill comes to a vote or none of yours will. 2/3rds works both ways. But the Republicans paid lip service to campus carry and CHOSE not to fight for it. Oh well, we didn't get it done just doesn't cut it any more. If you can't get it done, get the heck out of office and let someone who WILL get it done take over.

Again I ask, why did we elect Republicans to a majority? So they could get played by minority? Give me a break. I'm sick and tired of namby pamby politicans who claim they believe in things but don't have the guts to see them through.
Well said. I can guarantee that if the Democrats had been the ones in the majority, and they had been the ones for campus carry we would have campus carry today. They would have done whatever it took to get what they wanted passed, even changing the rules. That's what the dems did in congress with Obamacare. They changed the rules until they got it passed. Republican are bunch of wimps that cut tail as soon as they get any opposition. If we continue sending the same idiots to office we will continue getting the same results. They need to grow a couple and stop worrying about getting reelected.

And those who say that Wenworth did all he could I will disagree. He had a chance to get SB354 passed with the 20 votes he had when 2 democrats asked him to hold the vote because they wanted to get a couple of photo opportunities with Michelle Obama. He should have told them, yeah go ahead, and then proceed with the vote. That's waht democrats would have done in his place. Then all the rest of shenanigans with SB5 and SG1581 would have been unnecessary.

:mad5 :mad5 :mad5
by JJVP
Fri May 20, 2011 1:44 pm
Forum: 2011 Texas Legislative Session
Topic: HB 3639 - SB 1581
Replies: 383
Views: 87293

Re: HB 3639 - SB 1581

baldeagle wrote: Charles, I understand that you have to work with these jerks and so you can't say anything bad about them. I can. I'm a citizen of this state, and I deserve fair and open representation. Bills should get fair and open debate on the floor of the chamber, not back room deals and secret meetings and shenanigans with rules that we the citizens are not privy to.

We elected an overwhelming number of Republicans this last election. We SHOULD have gotten our issues passed. We didn't. That says all that I need to know about politics and the legislature. It's a foul, stinking mess of stuff not worthy of a republic and it needs to be overhauled if the people are ever to have their rights restored. The people who serve in the legislature should be embarrassed to show their faces in public after participating in this farce.

I won't be following any more of this. It invokes the gag reflex. How you can stand to be intimately involved in it is beyond me.
:iagree: :iagree: :iagree:

We need to send the whole lot of them to the unemployed ranks. I am getting more and more disappointed (= sick and tired) with the republican party. They talk a good talk, but when the excrement hits the fan they fold like the cheap suits they are. At least the demicrats, no matter how much you hate their views, stand by what they believe in, no matter how stupid those views might be. They hold on and push what they want, darn the torpedoes.

It is time to clean house and start over. Vote them ALL out. :mad5 :mad5 :mad5
by JJVP
Thu May 19, 2011 8:51 pm
Forum: 2011 Texas Legislative Session
Topic: HB 3639 - SB 1581
Replies: 383
Views: 87293

Re: HB 3639 - SB 1581

baldeagle wrote:Am I the only one thinking that Senator Wentworth is stupid? He never should have allowed the campus carry amendment, which passed the Senate, to be removed from SB 5. He should have recognized that germaneness would be challenged on SB 1581 once SB 5 was removed. I'm now thinking that the GOP rhetoric about supporting campus carry is just that - rhetoric. They have no real interest in the issue. They're simply trying to placate us without making any real changes.
:iagree: I saw this one coming the second I heard of the deal he made to remove the amendment from SB5. Campus carry was germane to SB1851 due to SB5. Once SB5 was removed from SB1851 then campus carry was no longer germane. Looks like he is the only one that didn't see it. He is either naive or incompetent.

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