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dicion wrote:

dac1842 wrote:First, I don't know what NC's laws are on open carry. So as a former LEO, this should have been handled a little differently in my opinion. Regardless of the law on open carry, the officer is responding to a call. He observes a person carrying a weapon. He asks for ID. In most states failure to identify to a LEO is a crime in itself. Since the subject was armed the officer has the right to determine if the weapon is being carried legally ( no known felon, etc).
I cant believe the officer backed off. He had reason to ask for ID. Of course there is some things we do not know. But on the surface the officer was intimidated by the camera and back down.

He wasn't failing to identify, he was refusing to give ID. If I recall correctly, the laws there are similar to the laws in New Hampshire, the person is required to State his Name, and some other information, they are not required to produce any form of physical identification. As the guy in the video asks "Am I driving a motor vehicle?" so why should he have to produce his driver's license. At no point did the officer ask for his name, if he did, I'm pretty sure the man was required to give it to him. He probably knew the law on this, and was not going to volunteer it unless directly asked.

This is a similar video in New Hampshire, they actually detail the laws in the video, for the officers:

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Personally, I think Dave Himself is handling it fine. His friend in the striped shirt though may be going a little overboard in some cases.

"may be going overboard" I would say that's an understatement. The 'friend" was obviously showboating. Guys like that give anyone on the outside looking in cause for distain towards "gun folk".

surprise_i'm_armed wrote:http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=942972

The above video was taken by a man open carrying near an abortion clinic.

The police officer demands ID and is given the runaround by the armed citizen.

It's surprising to me that the cop turns his back on the armed man.

Does anyone think that these open carry situations in public advance 2A
rights, or does it hurt 2A rights?

Concealed means concealed = You don't have to talk to any LEO's about your gun.

I'm just sayin....

SIA

First off let me just say that the guy filming with his phone, the guy carrying, was being an instigater and was in no way(IMO) being a responsible citizen. This guy probably has had a chip on his shoulder regarding law enforcement for a while. Some folks don't really want to change anything. They just feel the need to start drama where there is non. In a world incapable of conflict these sorts of folks would commit suicide for no other reason than that it would attract some attention.
But, I am very much for open carry. To me the 2nd A. affords us the right to carry as we see fit(as long as its safe). If we ceased any activity or gave up any right just because of the iresponseable few, the there would be no driving, no drinking, no hunting, no anything remotely dangerous and we'd all live in giant plastic bubbles like a bunch of gerbales. Open carry like anything else will have its inherant issues. For me they are not worth giving up open carry itself.
I know this will cause some stink but here are some of my ideas to make Open Carry more appealing to the P.C. crowd(a must for passing laws) and to create the feeling of an all together safer society.

1. Like driving or concealed carry you should be required to take training and carry a revockable permit. To be eligable for a permit you would have to meet certain criteria similar to that of the concealed carry criteria.
2. If you decide to Open Carry you must have annual recurrency training to maintain your permit.
3. I believe that there should be some sort registration regarding "who owns what". < To what extent this registration would go I can't say I'm not a lawyer. I just figure that a registration of some sort would encourage proper firearms responsibility.
4. Those choosing to Open Carry are to cooperate to the fullest extent of the law with local, state, and federal law enforcement. I'm tired of the negative stigma that surrounds peace keepers. The majority of cops be they jerks or not, are folks we should support not antagonize. If your gonna rock the boat do it in court not the street.
5. A specific code of conduct should be miantained during actual carry. And infractions against this code should be considered if an issued resulted in legal action. Poor conduct while carrying a firearm and/or firearms whether concealed or not shouldn't be tolerated.

These are just a few of the things I think would make Open Carry in Texas a potential likelyhood. I know this will likely ruffle some feathers especially the registration part but in America I don't have to agree with you or you me.