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by chabouk
Wed May 19, 2010 3:24 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Yet another pro v. con thread on open carry
Replies: 30
Views: 4745

Re: Yet another pro v. con thread on open carry

Oh, and I'd like to repeat my thoughts about the most common reason people say they would continue to conceal: that they don't want to lose the "element of surprise".

I'm sorry, but that's just not logical. There's no such thing as a defensive element of surprise: if you need to deploy your concealed handgun, you are the one who has been surprised and lost the initiative.

The next most common argument is that "They'll just take your gun away and use it on you." :roll: Millions of police man-hours every year say different. Yes, sometimes police have their guns taken away, but only when they're already in a physical tussle with someone whose number one goal is to get away. But it just doesn't happen that uniformed officers, either police or security, are attacked just to get their gun.
by chabouk
Wed May 19, 2010 3:18 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Yet another pro v. con thread on open carry
Replies: 30
Views: 4745

Re: TSRA support of Texas Open Carry

TxKimberMan wrote:All the reasons listed by the OP in his reply seemed a little lame to me.
:headscratch You are the OP. "OP" = "Original Poster", the person who starts a thread.

What is lame about Conagher's list? Everything he points out is valid: there are many things that we do, or should be able to do, that are currently illegal and shouldn't be. I frequently OC while working around my own property, and that's legal. There's no reason to keep a cover garment on while working outside in the heat, but If I'm mowing and take a step across the property boundary onto my neighbor's yard without a cover, I'm breaking the law. Same for working at my mother's house, or having a cookout at a friend's house. There are times when there's just no good argument for staying concealed, and that's the attraction of legalizing OC.

Back in the Fall election season, some folks had an "open carry cookout", with Debra Medina. Every single one of them who openly carried, except for the property owner, was breaking the law. It was deliberate civil disobedience, but the police didn't care to enforce it. Oh, and speaking of Debra Medina: remember the mild uproar about "She broke the law!!!!" by showing a reporter her pistol?

For me, it's not that OC is attractive, as such. It's that the law requiring concealment is so unattractive and silly that I can find no valid reason to retain it.
by chabouk
Wed May 19, 2010 11:20 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Yet another pro v. con thread on open carry
Replies: 30
Views: 4745

Re: TSRA support of Texas Open Carry

TxKimberMan wrote: Could someone please explain what makes open carry so attractive to them? :headscratch
I don't see the attraction of carrying Glocks or derringers, but I don't think they should be illegal.

Your personal mode of carry should be your personal choice. That's all the reason needed to legalize OC.

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