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by marksiwel
Mon Apr 05, 2010 8:30 am
Forum: Site Announcements, Questions & Suggestions
Topic: About Bashing the BATF
Replies: 18
Views: 4116

Re: About Bashing the BATF

jimlongley wrote: TSA does employ LEOs and does a LE job, but I have to ask, how are they infringing on the 4th?
They basically admit that they are in their own website
http://www.tsa.gov/what_we_do/optout/spp_faqs.shtm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
"Do contracted screeners draw their authority from the Aviation Transportation and Security Act PL107-71 (ATSA), or do state and local governments have to codify ATSA to establish their authority to perform Administrative Searches? If so, what if there is a conflict with the State Constitution (e.g., random vehicle searches during heightened alert conditions)? Will the Screening Standard Operating Procedures be modified to accommodate these conflicts?

Even prior to the passage of ATSA and the Federalization of the screening work force, Federal courts upheld warrantless searches of carry-on luggage at airports. Courts characterize the routine administrative search conducted at a security checkpoint as a warrantless search, subject to the reasonableness requirements of the Fourth Amendment. Such a warrantless search, also known as an administrative search, is valid under the Fourth Amendment if it is "no more intrusive or intensive than necessary, in light of current technology, to detect weapons or explosives, " confined in good faith to that purpose," and passengers may avoid the search by electing not to fly. [See United States v. Davis, 482 F.2d 893, 908 (9th Cir. 1973)].

While the searches at the airport will be conducted by private screening companies, such searches will continue to be subject to the Fourth Amendment requirements of reasonableness because they are conducted at the instigation of the federal Government and under the authority of federal statutes and regulations governing air passenger screening."
by marksiwel
Mon Apr 05, 2010 1:59 am
Forum: Site Announcements, Questions & Suggestions
Topic: About Bashing the BATF
Replies: 18
Views: 4116

Re: About Bashing the BATF

chabouk wrote:
gigag04 wrote:
marksiwel wrote: "The Feds" ATF, FBI, CIA, HOMELAND Security, Secret Service, TSA where we routinely BASH them because they are less popular/less familiar.
TSA /= Law Enforcement...no special agents.

:anamatedbanana
TSA cannot be LE and do the job they do. It's that whole pesky 4th Amendment thing.
I see. so how is their treating us like criminals with no due process and They being under the Department of Homeland secuirty NOT infringing on our 4th rights?
You say Potato/ Tomato you know?
by marksiwel
Sun Apr 04, 2010 11:54 am
Forum: Site Announcements, Questions & Suggestions
Topic: About Bashing the BATF
Replies: 18
Views: 4116

Re: About Bashing the BATF

So the first post in this thread was in June 2009, it was ignored until August 2009 now its April 2010

Just making sure of that.

I get the feeling that people who are concerned about LEO "Bashing" tend to get more offended on the local level (Local Police, Sheriffs departments ect) the cops you run into on the day to day , than they are to be offended by "The Feds" ATF, FBI, CIA, HOMELAND Security, Secret Service, TSA where we routinely BASH them because they are less popular/less familiar.

We dont deal with the ATF much and when we do its BAD, REAL BAD.
They do have a long history of abuses (Ruby Ridge, Waco, stepping on a kitten (That really happened)) and Captain Dreadlocks shooting himself in the leg on youtube have helped paint them as arrogant fools. But I've had ZERO problems with the ATF in my life because I dont really cross into their circles.
Now if they showed up at my door asking about my gun purchases, I would be :bigmouth :mad5

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