They don't read ATF guidance then. As I've said before, dealers like this can actually _increase_ your chances of something going wrong. Use them with caution.LAYGO wrote:I've purchased 3 firearms over the last 3 years from them (2 M&Ps (1 new 45c, 1 used but unfired 40mid, $150 off new) & an AR15, (again, used, but nearly unfired, $100 off new)). The way they go thru the paperwork is . . . firm. I never had the impression that they weren't current about how paperwork needs to be filled out. They recently changed ownership as well, but still do the paperwork the same (bought the AR15 there about 3wks ago).OldCannon wrote:
That stuff was no longer required by the ATF _over 10 years ago_. If you have somebody requiring it now, you can be CERTAIN they are not current on ATF guidance/regs, and are more likely to screw things up than not. Run away from places that are like this, FAR away.
I have occasionally discovered errors in 4473s that need to be corrected by the customer. Unfortunately, you can't send a 4473 to a customer, so they need to come in. Since I don't carry inventory, I usually offer a free transfer in the future. I've only had to do it a couple times though, and not in the last year or so.
From the November 2008 Newsletter from the ATF (http://www.atf.gov/files/publications/n ... 008-11.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;):
This is why the ATF is perfectly content with things like "TX CHL" instead of "Texas Concealed Handgun Permit" on a 4473, or "Ruger" in your A&D book instead of "Sturm, Ruger & Co, Inc."ABBREVIATIONS
ATF has received a number of inquiries regarding the use of abbreviations on ATF Form 4473 (Firearms Transaction Record) and in the acquisition and disposition (A&D) book entries. As a general rule, abbreviations should be avoided on Form 4473 or in entries in the A&D book. This is to avoid confusion or prevent providing an incomplete record. However, there are a number of abbreviations that are allowed.
The use of standard postal State abbreviations (i.e. AK, DE, VA, TX, etc.) or an easily and readily recognized abbreviation such as Mass. for Massachusetts is permitted. Additionally, the use of D.L. to denote “driver’s license” and O.P. to denote “operator’s permit” are also permitted. In general, if an abbreviation is legible and readily understood it would be acceptable. However, if the abbreviation is not understood, you will be told not to utilize it and continued use will result in either the issuance of a report of violation for the appropriate recordkeeping provision or other appropriate action.
As a rule of thumb, if you are unsure as to whether or not an abbreviation is readily understood, the abbreviation should not be used. Please keep in mind the importance of these records to law enforcement and the need to understand the abbreviations if you go out of business. It is important that the entries are written legibly and completely so everyone can understand them. ATF thanks you for your efforts.
P.S. - Based on their draconian insistence on holding on to guidance from the Clinton era, I do not think waving this guidance in front of them is going to change their procedures. Some folks just like doing things one way because, "That's the way we do it."