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by baldeagle
Wed Jan 13, 2016 11:28 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: WFAA gun discussions this week
Replies: 99
Views: 19186

Re: WFAA gun discussions this week

rentz wrote:
this one was good too, and shows sometimes the best option is to sit tight and call 911.
I'm surprised how well the lady did in that scenario given how poor her aim was in the previous ones.
Maybe it was because she was shooting at a woman abuser. :biggrinjester:
by baldeagle
Tue Jan 12, 2016 6:34 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: WFAA gun discussions this week
Replies: 99
Views: 19186

Re: WFAA gun discussions this week

VMI77 wrote:
baldeagle wrote:I'm not. With the exception of the woman, who clearly needs to go to the range (and I have no doubt she will now), they all seem to have trained enough to put lead on target. That's all that really matters. The husband might have done better in the first scenario if he hadn't had an aversion to the head shot. I think about head shots all the time in game planning. It's a part of awareness. If you are facing multiple bad guys, you'd better do some head shots or you'll lose. You need to put people down fast when you're confronted with multiple attackers. And if a guy is wearing body armor, only a head shot is going to stop him.
When my son went to the police academy there was an ex-Marine in his class who advocated head shots. He was told to keep his shots center mass because police accuracy in a gun fight is already only about 20% with the larger target. I too practice head shots but I don't expect them to be successful in a dynamic situation (movement), especially with multiple BGs.

Head shots are not the only way to take down an attacker wearing body armor. In my advanced pistol class they advocated shooting into the pelvic area below the vest because the target is larger and a broken pelvis is better than a missed head shot. Obviously, if the attacker is behind cover and the head is the only target that's where you have to shoot.

Within 15 yards I'm confident I can make a head shot with any handgun I own...including my snubbies....on the range with no movement and no one shooting at me. In a gun fight, with adrenaline dump and movement, I'm not so sure.
And yet in the demonstration, several of the shooters made lethal head shots. Something to think about.

I like the idea of shooting to the pelvic area. That might be effective as well.
by baldeagle
Tue Jan 12, 2016 4:53 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: WFAA gun discussions this week
Replies: 99
Views: 19186

Re: WFAA gun discussions this week

parabelum wrote:These so called "tests" are 100% rigged with a specific agenda that is often anti 2A. Classic example of experimenters cognitive and confirmation bias, a two for one if you will.


Now, if you would do an educational forum where public is informed of facts and stipulations pertaining to LTC holders such as non-felon, non-drunk driver, no history of domestic violence, not behind in child support payments and many many more, THAT would be a great start WFAA folks!

This stinks.
Totally disagree.
by baldeagle
Tue Jan 12, 2016 4:49 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: WFAA gun discussions this week
Replies: 99
Views: 19186

Re: WFAA gun discussions this week

Solaris wrote:Let's count the ways this was a ridiculous sham:

1) Use trained Tactical Officer as bad guy vs untrained CHL. More realistic would be an untrained person with mental issues.
Seriously? You want to put people at risk in a training scenario?
Solaris wrote:2) Put CHL in 4th Cube or same chair in each scenario.More realistic would be to let him choose wear to be.
Why?
Solaris wrote:3) Make sure CHL is only one wearing gun, so it is easdy for bad guy to pick him out.More realistic would be everyone wears a helmet.

4) Allow bad guy to wear Vest, to further discount any hits CHL might make.More realistic would be no vest.
Colorado high school shooters wore vests. Colorado movie theatre shooter wore a vest. What's wrong with training for the worst possibilities?
Solaris wrote:5) When open carry is used, make sure it is fully exposed as soon as someone walks in door.More realistic would be random seat and allow him to use body to block view from door.
Sure, if the open carrier thought of that. This open carrier obviously didn't. I bet he will next time. And other open carriers watching it will include that in their thought planning.
Solaris wrote:I am actually shocked the CHLS did so well.
I'm not. With the exception of the woman, who clearly needs to go to the range (and I have no doubt she will now), they all seem to have trained enough to put lead on target. That's all that really matters. The husband might have done better in the first scenario if he hadn't had an aversion to the head shot. I think about head shots all the time in game planning. It's a part of awareness. If you are facing multiple bad guys, you'd better do some head shots or you'll lose. You need to put people down fast when you're confronted with multiple attackers. And if a guy is wearing body armor, only a head shot is going to stop him.

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