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by Pawpaw
Sat Mar 26, 2011 12:54 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Worn Leather Hoslter Causes "Accidental" Discharge
Replies: 41
Views: 8893

Re: Worn Leather Hoslter Causes "Accidental" Discharge

WildBill wrote:I agree with the comments posted about the dangers of using worn or defective holsters or holsters which don't completely cover the trigger guard.

But, the photographs of this "accident" just don't seem real. The whole scene looks too "staged". The holster is deformed so badly that no one in their right mind would think of using it. There are no powder burns on the pants, the pants don't have just one bullet hole, but are ripped numerous times just enough to show the "wound".
There is absolutely no blood on the pants or the car seat. The photograph shows that the "victim" has a bloodless wound to the hip that looks like the sawed-off end of a soup bone. Did the guy just come home from a Chinese restaurant and happen to have a chopstick to stick through the seat to show the path of the bullet?

Of course I may be wrong, but it makes me wonder. :???:
I believe this incident really did happen, but the pictures were staged a day or two later for illustrative purposes.

Notice the complete lack of gunshot residue (and blood) on the pants and how the material is frayed. That indicates to me that they have been washed.

There is what seems to be the remnants of some GSR on the seat. I suspect it was cleaned up also, but some of the GSR is burned into the upholstery.

Also, notice that he's not wearing the holster in any of the pictures.
by Pawpaw
Fri Mar 25, 2011 10:32 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Worn Leather Hoslter Causes "Accidental" Discharge
Replies: 41
Views: 8893

Re: Worn Leather Hoslter Causes "Accidental" Discharge

Texas Dan Mosby wrote:
I agree any handgun would be more dangerous in a screwed up holster like that but I can't see any way a 1911 would be as dangerous as a Glock in that holster.
And herein is yet another excellent example of the compromises one must be aware of, and accept, in order to make an informed decision regarding defensive firearms.

"Point and press" arms eliminate the conditioning / training required to deactivate manual safety features, which is good. However, they do not discriminate between who, or what, is doing the pressing, which, as in this example, can be bad.

Arms that have manual safety features that must be deactivated in order to fire are far less susceptible to being discharged as a result of contact with foreign objects, such as a holster. This is good. However, these arms also require training / conditioning to ensure that the user deactivates these safety features prior to attempting to fire under stress. That can be bad, as some folks just won't dedicate the time to properly condition themselves, and may forget about the safety when they need to fire the most.

Pick your poison.

One of the endearing qualities of my beloved 1911's are the manual safety features. The 1911 WILL punish you for being stupid, ignorant, or a noob.

Fail to disengage the thumb safety? NO SHOT FOR YOU!!!
Weak grip that fails to disengage the grip safety? NO SHOT FOR YOU!!!!
Put your thumbs under the thumb safety and accidentally engage it during a shot string? NO SHOT FOR YOU!!!


Comedy is watching SEASONED "point and press" shooters transitioning to the 1911 platform and inducing stoppages during competition because of "Glock thumb", "M&P grip", and "Whoops, I forgot about the safety." That wouldn't be funny, on the other hand, in a defensive scenario.

:biggrinjester:
An excellent post! I fixed the one and only error I saw. :tiphat:

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