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These "faith-based institutions" are going to stand against the new state ideology?

Who else? When you read these accounts of apparently sane members of Wisconsin's "public service" and "law enforcement" launching thug assaults with battering rams against the suburban homes of their ideological opponents, would you really want to bet that the full force of the state won't one day SWAT a "homophobic" florist to death? In a deranged culture where the Stalinist blood lust of political correctness is so insatiable that a hit TV show has to be yanked from the airwaves because of the roof of a motor vehicle driven by the characters, how many networks will be willing to countenance anyone espousing "traditional" theology or morality?

android wrote:I probably don't support your cause. I most likely don't care. I support your right to do what makes you happy. I support your right to be free.

That may include a lot of things I don't give a rat's backside about.

You're Baptist, that's fine. I don't care if you leave me alone.
You're gay, that's fine. I don't care if you leave me alone.
You like to sky dive. I don't care. Don't fall on my house.
You don't want to eat meat? Fine, you are stupid, but that just means more for me.
You like to walk around in a wading pool full of Vaseline because you like the way it feels between your toes? Have fun, I don't care.
You want to burn a flag? that's your first amendment right. I will acknowledge and defend your right to political speech. I will not support your flag burning.

Despite people's rabid reactions, what other people do, does NOT really affect my life or my relationship with my wife or family nor does it "destroy society as we know it."
The sky has been falling ever since the first caveman proposed moving out of a cave and into a grass hut and the rest of the cave residents went crazy because they had "always lived in caves."

I hear that "gay marriage" has desecrated "heterosexual marriage." Please show me. If a cemetery is desecrated, then I can point to specific headstones and monuments in that cemetery and show evidence of that specific damage. Please show me a single heterosexual, Christian marriage where either party has decided, Wow, gays can marry now, I think I should get a divorce or cheat on my spouse.

You want to limit my freedom to enjoy my life because of your beliefs or preferences? That's when I start caring and will oppose you.

Don't pick my pocket. Don't break my arm. Keep your nose out of my life and I will ignore you in return.

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.


No.

Do unto others as they want you to do unto them. This usually means leave them alone and go about your business. Most people don't want to be done unto at all.

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cb1000rider wrote:

baldeagle wrote: So now we're going to get excited about having the federal government set the rules for carrying? No thank you. Anyone who is foolish enough to step into the trap needs to get out of the lawsuit business.

Me personally: Not set all rules, but establish a minimum set of common rules, yes.
If you travel across states, frequently, and carry, I'm sure you feel the pain. For me to pack up and travel with firearms, it's a huge pain and requires quite a bit of due diligence. What I'd like to see is a minimum set of national standards and allow states rights to be more permissive as they see fit. There are places in Illinois that need a serious constitutional smack down.

A good analogy would be that in all 50 states, my drivers license is respected. IE: The actual licensing requirements to drive a big RV across the US differ from state to state, but as a TX resident, I can't get a ticket in Ohio for not meeting Ohio license requirements, assuming I've met the requirements in Texas.

The thing which worries me about gay marriage is that the norms surrounding gay long-term relationships will be imported into the concept of marriage.

http://www.sfgate.com/lgbt/article/Many ... 241624.php

(The above is a media write-up of a study that found that in a study of 566 gay couples, only 45 percent had made the promise to be sexually monogamous. This is an example of a different moral norm surrounding gay long-term relationships.)

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/29/us/29 ... .html?_r=1

(In the above link is a NYTimes piece arguing that homosexual marriage could modernise (that is import different norms into) marriage as an institution.), specifically; “The traditional American marriage is in crisis, and we need insight,” he said, citing the fresh perspective gay couples bring to matrimony. “If innovation in marriage is going to occur, it will be spearheaded by homosexual marriages.”

The importation of a moral norm like the one above surrounding gay long-term relationships would destroy the institution of marriage for heterosexuals who wish to pursue a long-term mating strategy.

baldeagle wrote: Before the ruling the purpose of marriage was child rearing in a stable family situation. Marriage was expected to be a greater commitment than two people living together, with greater responsibilities, especially to the children. Now the purpose of marriage is to allow to people who love each other obtain the same benefits as marriage with regard to legalities such as rights of survivorship, medical power of attorney, etc.