I didn't want to hi-jack this thread, but I thought about positive types of education about guns in general and posted some thoughts and something that is already being done here:
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- Wed May 25, 2011 6:02 am
- Forum: Concealed Carry on College Campuses
- Topic: How do we *effectively* turn the tide on college campuses?
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- Sun May 22, 2011 2:38 pm
- Forum: Concealed Carry on College Campuses
- Topic: How do we *effectively* turn the tide on college campuses?
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Re: How do we *effectively* turn the tide on college campuse
Good point, and I didn't mean to present it as hopeless. Just trying to highlight that most of these guys will not come to the same conclusions when presented with statistics on campus crime. They will, in fact, take those same high numbers and predict worse outcomes by 'adding guns to the mix'.RHenriksen wrote:Let's not talk ourselves into apathy, guys. There are anti's of all shapes & sizes, not all are unreachable. Moreover, we can do a better job mobilizing our base.terryg wrote:Exactly right. They also beleive that more guns always always escalates a situation. Only testimony like that of Amanda Collins, where the CHL law clearly could have made a difference, can possibly have any sway. And even in that situation, the liberal academic elite is likely to claim that if she would have had her gun, the rapist would probably have killed her rather than her defending herself from him.C-dub wrote:Unfortunately, we already have. Columbine and Virginia Tech. The anti's still think the police can protect everyone. IMHO, this all goes back to the unwillingness to accept personal responsibility for anything. The hardcore liberal believes he can do no wrong and that someone else, be it society or parents or whoever, is always to blame. Someone made them bad. They didn't make that decision on their own. Someone pushed them by not giving them a choice, chance, or whatever.lkd wrote:Sadly, I think the only thing that will turn the tide is an on-campus event similar to Luby's.
I my meanest, most grouchy, hateful days, I still wouldn't wish that experience on anybody.
I just wanted to highlight the work we have before us. Primarily that campus crime statistics alone will not make the case for us. It has to coupled with education as most of these guys will not reach the same conclusions as us when presented with this data.
- Sun May 22, 2011 12:53 pm
- Forum: Concealed Carry on College Campuses
- Topic: How do we *effectively* turn the tide on college campuses?
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Re: How do we *effectively* turn the tide on college campuse
Exactly right. They also beleive that more guns always always escalates a situation. Only testimony like that of Amanda Collins, where the CHL law clearly could have made a difference, can possibly have any sway. And even in that situation, the liberal academic elite is likely to claim that if she would have had her gun, the rapist would probably have killed her rather than her defending herself from him.C-dub wrote:Unfortunately, we already have. Columbine and Virginia Tech. The anti's still think the police can protect everyone. IMHO, this all goes back to the unwillingness to accept personal responsibility for anything. The hardcore liberal believes he can do no wrong and that someone else, be it society or parents or whoever, is always to blame. Someone made them bad. They didn't make that decision on their own. Someone pushed them by not giving them a choice, chance, or whatever.lkd wrote:Sadly, I think the only thing that will turn the tide is an on-campus event similar to Luby's.
I my meanest, most grouchy, hateful days, I still wouldn't wish that experience on anybody.
- Sat May 21, 2011 10:37 pm
- Forum: Concealed Carry on College Campuses
- Topic: How do we *effectively* turn the tide on college campuses?
- Replies: 78
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Re: How do we *effectively* turn the tide on college campuse
One thing about crime alerts and reports, however, is that to the liberal mind - they still will not justify the use of a gun for self defense. For example, here is a recent crime alert issued to members of our campus community (certain details removed):
So, unless the details of the crime are such that the benefits of the victim having a handgun in that particular situation are undeniable; such as those surrounding the rape of Amanda Collins; the crime statistics and details won't mean a thing. Trust me, I have debated with many of them several times. "Guns during a crime only make a bad situation worse." "You are more likely to be shot with your own gun than successfully use it for defense." and other non-sense.
Now, to a liberal academic elite, this scenario would have only been made worse by the presence of another handgun. In their minds, the situation would have "only escalated - potentially resulting in the injury and/or the loss of life".At approximately xxx, a student from xxx reported that he had been robbed while on the xxx campus last evening between xxx and xxx. The student stated that he was walking back to his vehicle, parked in the xxx parking lot, by way of the sidewalk on the xxx. As he neared the west end of the sidewalk, he was approached by two males, the shorter of whom brandished a firearm and robbed him of his cell phone and wallet. The suspects walked east towards Entrance xxx as the victim fled to his vehicle parked in the xxx lot. The xxx student was not injured.
The suspects are described as black males. The shorter is described as xxx. The taller is described as xxx. The firearm, displayed by the shorter suspect, may be a small semi-automatic weapon.
If you have any information that might be of help in this investigation please contact xxx.
Please be alert and aware of your surroundings. Try to travel in pairs whenever possible and use the university’s security escort service.
So, unless the details of the crime are such that the benefits of the victim having a handgun in that particular situation are undeniable; such as those surrounding the rape of Amanda Collins; the crime statistics and details won't mean a thing. Trust me, I have debated with many of them several times. "Guns during a crime only make a bad situation worse." "You are more likely to be shot with your own gun than successfully use it for defense." and other non-sense.