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G.A. Heath wrote:I hate to break it to you if you have ever had any official dealings (Traffic stop, reporting something, ect) with law enforcement then you have been referred to as a subject. In fact, when the DPS handled your CHL packet they probably referred to you as .... a subject. The officers in the story were wrong in their actions, no question about it, but to take them to task over using the word subject as they have been trained is pointless when there are bigger issues. You want something done about it, then go all politically correct on them and see how much success you have.

The lack of respect, The common usage of the word doesn't make it right, I remember when the N word was commonly used, It has become socially unacceptable in almost any social setting. If we as citizens accept the lack of of respect that authorities have for us it becomes acceptable. As long as we accept being referred to as subjects the practice will continue.

I do agree there are bigger fish to fry, when it comes to respecting the citizen, and we are working on that. We can get to to the local levels later.


I understand that I'm geting off topic, and picking nits. `nuff said from me.

I (meaning myself) don't (meaning do not) believe (meaning have confidence that this is the truth) that you (meaning Liberty) really (meaning as apposed to what was posted earlier) want (meaning desire) to go down this road (meaning to take this course of action).

The English language often provides contextual clues to the meaning of words. Sometimes those clues are the speaker, words spoken (or written) with it, or even the intended audience. I disagree with the actions of the officers, but going after a professional for using the language as he was trained to do is kind of like the pot calling the kettle black. I have this bad habit of calling things like I see them, and in this case anyone who tries to make a federal case over the use of the word subject(s) really needs to find better material for a debate.

I am going after this guy not because of his language, but because he represents the abusive ruling class, in both his actions and words.
I don't think I would like anyone calling me a subject. Regardless of the context. its roots and meaning is loaded with disrespect. The training might be such that it is OK to use in describing free citizens, but the chief need to understands that he is supposed to be subject to the the citizens whom he is supposed to protect. Liberals get to define words that are politically incorrect, Shouldn't the freedom loving peoples? Any chief that supports oppression of those who legally gather and arm themselves obviously thinks of the citizens as peoples to to be subjugated, his choice words are inline with his actions.

It seems he has been a part of the training that has allowed his troopers to think its alright to arrest people even if they have broken no laws. His language surely reflects this. Maybe if he stops referring to those of whom he is charged to protect and serve as subjects, might be a good start towards demonstrating respect towards law abiding citizens.

G.A. Heath wrote:99.9% of the time when a Law Enforcement Officer says subject they do not use it in a manner meaning someone who is ruled over. The meaning attached to the word in this case is almost always individual or person. Some folks are reading a little too much into this.

Words have meanings. If they meant citizen, person, suspect, man or woman they should says so. In this case, the meaning of the spoken words are supported by the actions of the department. Their disregard for for our laws, constitution and fellow citizens has been made clear. These people divide the world into 2 classes the ruling class and the ruled. They know that they get to punish people even if they break no law. The common folk who displease the the elete, still have to go to court, pay the bonds, pay the lawyer and miss work,find little pleasure in being found innocent while the elitist chief and DA goes unpunished with full pay.
The real criminals are those who pursue the disarmament of the law abiding. Maybe the courts should order the disarmament of the criminal Madison Police Department and let them see how they like it.