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Well allow me to retort. If reading is fundamental then you should have read it again because I never said you’re retarded, I said that the advice given to the man was retarded and nowhere did I call you or another member that posted by name in my post. Meaning as in you have chosen to take offense! Just because I chose random lines from advice given that I didn’t like was me being “free to disagree” with what was being said. So who is really being childish by threating to have someone booted from a forum for taking something personal that was not meant to be? If you want, I will be your Huckleberry!

Yes, Joint Special Operations Command units such as CAG, Green Berets, SEALs and MARSOC train for different situations and scenarios that are heavily combat-related in nature but that does not mean that those skills these Operators have learned are not useful in civilian settings. You assume that he is going to show him offensive tactics that could get him into trouble with law but I was referring to the defensive tactics that are learned to survive an armed confrontation with one or multiple assailants. They still have to follow the ROE (Rules of Engagement) as CHL carries must follow the law when deciding to draw or walk away but sometimes it is out of your hands and you forced to react with sometimes deadly force and that is where those lessons learned from the combat hardened friend or trainers come in handy.

You never know the situations or scenarios that you are going to find yourself in Afghanistan to even Texas, which is why seeking advice from someone who has would be beneficial for any CHL carrier. Assuming that you’re never going to find yourself in a very dangerous situation is begging for Mr. Murphy to come in and kick your door in. What is the first thing people say when describing a traumatic event that happen to them, “I never thought it would happen to me!” That is why civilians pay former Special Operations Operators big money to attend their classes and get some insight on how to survive a firefight, when every intervention was used to prevent unnecessary bloodshed beforehand, not to initiate the fight. Obviously these Operators know how to teach their craft because no one is going to pay for horrible instructors and these men take their craft seriously because they’re professionals. These men have spent time teaching other units in our armed forces, other countries forces and indigenous people, who have never even touched a firearm before then in their marksmanship style which has been proven. The reason why these schools are so successful is because they know how to package the lesson for civilian shooters to benefit them. As for training like a SEAL is concerned, it is not going to make you a high speed operator but get you to work on the fundamentals that most civilians neglect once they adapt to using lasers and actually make you a better shot. All these guys do is train to make sure their rounds hit where they want to every time, wither its double tap to center mass or triple tap to the center mass and head. As for sneaking around, you must not know a lot about them because they can be very overt and there is nothing that is going to stop them. So tell me again, how is taking some advice from someone with actual experience versus opinion and no experience is going to lead them down the wrong path?

On A Side Note: I think it is quite humorous that these schools require civilian students to take a marksmanship class before they are allowed to access any of the advanced firearms classes. I asked the lead instructor why that was and he said and I quote “Because for civilian students they lack the basic marksmanship skills need to complete the courses and are heavily dependent on aiming lasers which can go out and then their sorry out luck and can’t aim with irons. They lack knowledge of how to properly and safely deal with weapons malfunctions on a range, in the field or while dealing with an incident. They have learned bad habits from shooting with inexperienced shooters or trainers and they just don’t practice the correct way enough. They got money to buy a Corvette but no money to spend on training ammo and range time with the exception of coming here. So you can see where their priorities are at.”

Waco1959: So what you are telling me is that you or your wife are going make blind shots in the night because get to your glasses quick enough but you can see the red dot laser and that is the only information you need to make a decision to fire? Okay, so you can barely see what looks like to be an intruder and you point and you see the red dot and fire but what about what is behind the intruder? What if it is your wife who is coming to bed and you mistake her for an intruder? To me that’s the path the 74novaman was talking about that will lead you to no good.

On A Side Note: I wonder how many irritated husbands wish they could make that last one happen and not go to jail lol!

I will give you an example: When I was about eight years old, someone broke into our house in the middle of the night. They had gotten to the upstairs hallway before the intruder knocked over a little table in the hallway that mother kept fresh flowers on. I got up thinking it was my mother, who was seven months pregnant with my sister at the time, had tripped over in the night to get some water because her night vision sucks. I walked into the hallway as I saw the moonlight silhouette of two men, one being the intruder and the other being my father, who was rising up his 1911 to fire but quickly decided not to and then tossed the gun on the bed and preceded take the man down to the ground. My Father was able to subdue the intruder till the police came. I remember incident pretty well. I told that event from my life to tell this, when I asked my father years later why did he not shot the man, he said because he could make out a smaller silhouette behind him and he knew it was me and could not bear the thought of accidently hitting me. He could also make out that the man had no weapon or he would have already had it out after knocking over the table with the vase of flowers. He said “You don’t shoot an unarmed man, you beat the daylights out of him!” Later on, when he began to train me on how to use a handgun, he told me to never to take a shot if you can tell what’s behind the target. I was told the same thing by my Green Beret 1Sgt and Ranger tabbed and Scrolled Sniper Drill Sgt at Infantry School. You might not have anyone living with you at your house besides you and your wife but I would highly recommend not take blind shot in the middle of the night because you can make out a red dot. I would look into seeing if your optometrist can get you into some contacts that you can wear when you sleep in or you can look into eye surgery.

I’m trying to get the shooters that use aiming laser to supplement their nonexistent aiming skills before their reliance on hardware fails on them and they accidently hurt someone because they made poor aiming choices.

Here is the video of Kehoe Brothers and LEO's at work. I got kind of a kick out of it, I hope you do too!!

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I think that it is funny that the people are telling this man that he should not listen to his buddy that has probably more experience of anyone on here. To use the excuse that his experiences are not valid because they train for “different problems and scenarios” than a person here in Texas is retarded and what color is the sky in your world? No matter if you’re a CAG, SF, SEALs, MARSOC, TXDPS or Joe Blow down the street; we all have the same goal of surviving the gunfight! I have to believe that the SEAL has a bit to say about target acquisition more than some random civilian firearms trainer that has probably never fired under pressure or even a LEO that has fired his gun a couple of times. Yeah, I want to take advice from someone whose department has them qualify ONCE a year on average. Also, I remember watching the Kehoe Brothers film where LEO’s emptied their clips and did not even hit the suspects AT POINT BLANK RANGE! Yeah, the guy has logged over 10,000 rounds a year into targets and bad guys is not the guy I should be listening to! I think that it is time for some of y’all to check the inexperience at the door and listen to professionals like his SEAL friend. These guys and their counterparts have mastered the fundamentals of marksmanship and taken it to another level. They have mastered the basics because they understand that hardware can go out regardless if you put new batteries in and that it is back to the basics. That is why the military still has them learn to use iron sights before CCO’s and ACOG’s. For the price of an aiming laser, you could buy more training ammo and work learning how to aim the old fashion way and repeat it till it becomes muscle memory. In the end, when the moment of truth has arrived in the form a bad guy coming to your house in the middle of the night with a firearm drawn and your adrenaline is coursing through your veins and you can hear your heart pounding. It is not going to matter what aid you have, it is going to come down to muscle memory and do you have fundaments of a steady position, a good sight picture, breathing control and trigger squeeze down. Experience has taught me that if you have those mastered, then you’re going to have a better chance of surviving. On a side note, we have a nickname for the guys that always have the newest gadgets for their firearms. We call them “Gear Heads” because then they think that fancy equipment is going to make them a better shooter, when actually it gives them a false sense of security and handicaps their ability. Then they don’t qualify expert with their firearms and we send down to the line units. To be completely honest in my own opinion, it is just being lazy and that is going to get you killed! I ran that comment by some cousins of mine that are LEO's in Texas and they said I hit the nail on the head.