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mr1337 wrote:Beiruty, are you saying that because my wife and I don't want kids, that society will suffer?

Speaking for myself (NOT Beiruty), no, of course not. However, the smooth functioning and continuation of a society/culture/civilization depends, to a large degree, on certain behaviors (having kids, in this case) being "normal". If a few people here and there behave differently, it's not an issue. But, in this case, if enough people from the current generation deviate from the "normal" of having children, there won't be enough people to form the next generation (which, I, at least, view as a problem).

To be clear, this is in no way an attack on you & your wife. Also, I'm specifically talking about having or not having kids (ain't touching gay marriage with a 10-ft pole... seems like there's no way to discuss controversial issues these days without someone going off on you, even if you don't say anything offensive to anyone).

Beiruty wrote:

Dave2 wrote:FWIW, the divorce rate fell back below 50% years ago. I don't recall my source on that, but I'll look it up if anyone wants me to.

(Not commenting on anyone's position, I'd just rather see an argument succeed or fail based on its merits, rather than getting some detail wrong.)

Maybe true. However, If divorce is getting lower so is % of those who are married. Maybe I should said "stable marriage are less than 50%"

That's part of it, yeah -- more people are just staying single... I think there was another reason, but I can't recall what it was.

FWIW, the divorce rate fell back below 50% years ago. I don't recall my source on that, but I'll look it up if anyone wants me to.

(Not commenting on anyone's position, I'd just rather see an argument succeed or fail based on its merits, rather than getting some detail wrong.)