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by clarionite
Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:50 pm
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Topic: 17y/o Killed By Neighborhood Watch/CHL
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Re: 17y/o Killed By Neighborhood Watch/CHL

Valor wrote:
clarionite wrote: Would you assault that person and slam his head into the sidewalk?
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If I believe him to be creepy and he all of sudden began to dig in his pocket for an unknown object, and doing such his weapon was exposed. I too may fear for my life or bodily harm.

If he was reaching in his pocket, and you saw his weapon, you'd know he wasn't reaching for his weapon. You are however reaching for a reason to blame Zimmerman. It was presented in open court that Martin told his friend that he wasn't going to run, because he was home/almost home. Martin wasn't scared enough to have called police. He wasn't scared enough to have gone inside. He was ticked off that he was being followed by a "Cracker". He confronted Zimmerman, this too was presented in open court.

It comes down to what someone else on this thread stated earlier. Some people believe that disrespecting someone by keeping an eye on them, which isn't unusual or illegal, is grounds for assaulting the person disrespecting you. They also believe that it's unfair to prevent you from beating them to death, by shooting you. I suggest that it's not illegal, immoral, unusual or disrespectful to follow someone to be able to give a full accurate report to the police officer you know is on his way because you called that officer. As a matter of fact, I believe it's proper and usual. I know for a fact that (though not presented as evidence, but eluded to so they can confuse the jurors) that it's not illegal to ask what someone new is doing in your neighborhood, especially when it's a neighborhood that has a crime spree going on. I also believe it's not only proper but your duty to do everything within your power to make it home to your family when assaulted. If you take everything given as testimony in this trial, there's only one conclusion. Zimmerman acted reasonable given the circumstances. He was within his rights to defend himself with deadly force.

Edit: Clarified a poorly written sentence.
by clarionite
Fri Jul 12, 2013 5:23 pm
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Re: 17y/o Killed By Neighborhood Watch/CHL

texanjoker wrote:
K.Mooneyham wrote:
ScooterSissy wrote:
Dragonfighter wrote:You know I find it interesting, the number of blacks at my work who think GZ should be acquitted vs. the number of non-blacks who thinks he's guilty.
I've noticed at my office, most of those that are black feel Zimmerman should be acquitted (all of them that I know of); however, they're all security guards, mostly former LEO and/or military.
I've finally decided that this whole thing mostly boils down to a cultural differnce. Some cultures feel that Zimmerman disrespecting Martin (by following him) justified a beatdown. Those that feel that way also seem to feel Zimmerman is guilty. Those that realize LEGALLY Martin had no right to attack seem to feel Zimmerman is innocent (of a crime).
BINGO! That's what I've been saying. Its about those who are immersed in the thug "culture", who are wannabes of the thug culture, or who believe that to be an acceptable lifestyle, for whatever reason. I don't happen to fit into any of those categories.
I have debated this case in depth with a black leo...he is adamant this case is about race, GZ profiled the deceased and that it is murder. He did have one point that I agreed on. If I was being followed I too would most likely confront the person following me.
Would you assault that person and slam his head into the sidewalk?

I would and have confronted people I thought were watching/following me. Once was at a dance club, turns out he was a bouncer. No problem, he said he was just keeping an eye on me because if I did get out of hand it would take 3-4 of them to confront me. We laughed and chatted for a little while. I didn't punch him in the nose for it.
by clarionite
Sun Jul 08, 2012 11:44 am
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Re: 17y/o Killed By Neighborhood Watch/CHL

I intentionally said Judged... I know what it's supposed to be, but I've seen a few cases where I think the court system failed and innocent people went to jail. But I worked in multiple correctional facilities and know there's no innocent men in Prison. <G>
by clarionite
Sat Jul 07, 2012 4:10 pm
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Re: 17y/o Killed By Neighborhood Watch/CHL

How does the presumption of innocense equate to judging? Everyone is innocent until judged guilty. That's the point that so many people seem to forget.
by clarionite
Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:15 am
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Re: 17y/o Killed By Neighborhood Watch/CHL

I live in a nice quiet neighborhood. That's not by chance. I searched for a nice quiet neighborhood. I pay a premium to live in a nice quiet neighborhood. But that hasn't always been the case. I've lived in apartment complexes that have issues with theft. The last one was in Baton Rouge. Two doors down from me there was a LEO who drove a Monte Carlo. My truck and his car were broken into on the same day. I wasn't at home, my wife was when it happened. She actually heard my truck door close, and thought Oh, Marty's home. Then realized, no he's in New Orleans today. She felt bad that afternoon when we found out that the electronics in my truck were missing. Until we also found out that the gun and commission were missing from the Monte Carlo parked next to mine. I'm glad she didn't even observe, because I don't know what order the vehicles were robbed and I can't imagine my life without my wife. But I can understand the mentality of someone who lives in an apartment complex that's had issues with theft. You're frustrated that someone gets away with it. You're frustrated that you're not safe in your own neighborhood. And you feel violated. If more people in high crime areas took a stand, we'd have fewer high crime areas.
by clarionite
Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:54 am
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Re: 17y/o Killed By Neighborhood Watch/CHL

speedsix wrote:...I think a lot of us have done more than just observe...but to follow a suspicious person till he runs, then chase him...creating a dangerous situation where there was none, and spooking him before the police had a chance to respond and interact with him...I don't think so...not on a public street where you have no authority to do so...Z wasn't being civic-minded...he was going against the rules of his own NW instead of following them...and this is where we find him...most of us who have done a little or a lot more than observe weren't under constraint by our own agreement NOT to act...he was...that's why I won't participate in a NW program...I think my judgement is better than a blanket prohibition...but if I DO something...and I get my tail beat...it'll be my fault for going beyond picking up the phone...
And if you get your tail beat... The responding officers can and should (probably will) charge the one who did the beating. If the beating progresses to your head being slammed into the ground and you feel that your life is in danger... you have the right (and I believe duty) to protect yourself.
by clarionite
Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:40 am
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Re: 17y/o Killed By Neighborhood Watch/CHL

Heartland Patriot,

I'm as jaded as the next guy, and it's served me well for years. But I've still got that feeling that if we all do what little we can, maybe the world might be a little better place tomorrow. I guess that comes from being dropped on my head as a kid. If what I'm hearing about George trying to keep visual contact with the guy is correct, and he didn't confront the guy... Then I don't think he even did anything stupid. When we all become afraid of something as simple as observing something we feel is odd or out of place because we're going to be judged as being at fault if someone starts trouble with us... then the world is most definitely not a better place. I guess I'm one of the stupid ones. I've stepped in and done more than just observe in several occasions. Maybe I'm lucky. But I feel that I made someone's life better with my actions.
by clarionite
Tue Apr 24, 2012 11:46 am
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Re: 17y/o Killed By Neighborhood Watch/CHL

It's not his first time to jump into a situation...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Loui ... ontroversy" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

He called Sgt. Crowley stupid for arresting Henry Gates.
by clarionite
Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:45 am
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Re: 17y/o Killed By Neighborhood Watch/CHL

What kind of world is it that someone who sees something they think is out of the ordinary in their neighborhood is supposed to cower in their home?

If (and that's a big if) Zimmerman did nothing but exit his vehicle and try to keep an eye on someone until the police arrived, then I think he did nothing wrong.
All the talk about watches not being able to carry a weapon, or CHL holders thinking they've got a Batman license is crap. Just because someone has enough civic awareness to try and make sure their neighborhood is free of crime that doesn't mean they don't have the right to self defense. And just because someone tries to be a good witness by keeping an eye on someone they think is suspicious till the police arrive, that doesn't mean they played Batman.

If the story turns out to be true, then I really don't think Zimmerman did anything wrong or stupid. If he confronted Martin, then that's another matter.

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