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by RoyGBiv
Thu Oct 18, 2018 4:03 pm
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Topic: Turkey: Saudi journalist last seen at Saudi consulate in Turkey
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Re: Turkey: Saudi journalist last seen at Saudi consulate in Turkey

rotor wrote: Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:05 pmI still don't know why we care about this.
I sort of agree... there's the optics problem of our President conducting national security related foreign affairs with an allegedly murderous government that kinda looks bad... but... is anyone surprised that the Saudis do bad things?

But the court of public opinion (and its effect on election outcomes) does matter.
by RoyGBiv
Thu Oct 18, 2018 1:55 pm
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Topic: Turkey: Saudi journalist last seen at Saudi consulate in Turkey
Replies: 65
Views: 13923

Re: Turkey: Saudi journalist last seen at Saudi consulate in Turkey

RoyGBiv wrote: Thu Oct 18, 2018 9:59 amImpossible to know spin from truth on this one....
Ok... the back story may never be known, but, apparently there was audio surveillance during the act itself.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/saudi-doc ... ion-report
by RoyGBiv
Thu Oct 18, 2018 9:59 am
Forum: Off-Topic
Topic: Turkey: Saudi journalist last seen at Saudi consulate in Turkey
Replies: 65
Views: 13923

Re: Turkey: Saudi journalist last seen at Saudi consulate in Turkey

ELB wrote: Mon Oct 15, 2018 9:21 am So I'm reading the journalist was also a Muslim Brotherhood fellow traveler, if not member, was a confidant and advisor to members of the Saudi royal family who are on the outs with the current ruler, and his beef with the current ruler is not that he's too authoritarian but that he is too western, not Islamic enough.

I think Trump may have jumped early and the wrong way on this one.

ETA: https://pjmedia.com/spengler/german-pre ... ppearance/
Germany's leading right-of-center daily Die Welt this morning reveals that Jamal Khashoggi was not a journalist, but a high-level operative for the Saudi intelligence service, an intimate of Osama bin Laden, and the nephew of the shadiest of all Arab arms dealers, the infamous Adnan Khashoggi. John Bradley reported last week in the Spectator that Khashoggi, who allegedly met a grisly end in a Saudi consulate in Istanbul, was a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, the Islamist organization that among other things wants to replace the Saudi monarchy with a modern Islamist totalitarian state.
Impossible to know spin from truth on this one.... Remember, according to Susan Rice it was a movie that caused the spontaneous riot at Benghazi. This story could just be a better cover than that.

The Saudis are duplicitous "allies". The Crown prince has brought some Western ways to his kingdom, but is it just window dressing?
I'm writing this off to thugs killing thugs and moving on. YMMV.

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