baldeagle wrote:Charles L. Cotton wrote:baldeagle wrote:Charles L. Cotton wrote:Sen. Wentworth is neither. The result would have been the same if SB5 have passed with campus-carry. The core germane rule was not the problem; the problem is the House rule against two totally different subject matters in the same bill. Although some portions of campus-carry were germane, it required extensive amendments to the Penal Code as well as amendments to Chp. 411 of the Gov't Code. Folks, when the two Senators went back on their word and didn't support suspending the rules to bring up SB354, then everything thereafter was Plan B, Plan C, . . .
Then Senator Wentworth is the worst kind of cynic. He never should have amended SB 5 and SB 1581 if he KNEW they would never make it through the House. He should have admitted defeat or continued to work to get the 21 votes.
I understand you are upset with the outcome; so am I. But you don't have a clue what you are saying or what else was being attempted. It was not a dead issue when campus-carry was as added to SB5 or SB1581. An attempt was made to make it work, but it failed. This happened to us last session when Tommy Merritt was chairman of the House Public Safety Committee. We had to add things to the DPS sunset bill to get them passed.
Sen. Wentworth has been a strong supporter of gun owners and he's been a champion of campus-carry for two sessions.
Chas.
Charles, I understand that you have to work with these jerks and so you can't say anything bad about them. I can. I'm a citizen of this state, and I deserve fair and open representation. Bills should get fair and open debate on the floor of the chamber, not back room deals and secret meetings and shenanigans with rules that we the citizens are not privy to.
We elected an overwhelming number of Republicans this last election. We SHOULD have gotten our issues passed. We didn't. That says all that I need to know about politics and the legislature. It's a foul, stinking mess of stuff not worthy of a republic and it needs to be overhauled if the people are ever to have their rights restored. The people who serve in the legislature should be embarrassed to show their faces in public after participating in this farce.
I won't be following any more of this. It invokes the gag reflex. How you can stand to be intimately involved in it is beyond me.
baldeagle, I completely understand how upset you are, I am upset to. Instead of taking out your frustration on Senator Wentworth or other people who actually supported the bill the entire time. I would look at the people who didn't. It seems to me the only people to be mad at are the turncoats in the senate, as well as the House calendars committee and Speaker Straus. I am primarily mad at Speaker Straus, he chose to sustain the POO thus defeating campus carry. He chose to listen to the hoards of out of state callers rather than his own constituents. If you want to be mad at anyone, be mad at him and not Senator Wentworth, he did all he could. Taking the campus carry provisions off of SB 5 was just him being reasonable, as at that point they were attached to another bill. Also, as Charles said earlier, SB5 probably would have fallen to the 2-subject rule as well.
Like I said, I too am very frustrated, but we should put blame on those who have actually done us wrong and not those who are fighting to support our rights.
Also on the issue of the 2/3 rule in the senate I ask you to remember one principle: Majority Rule, Minority Rights. Though the 2/3 rule in the senate is irritating, how would you feel if the tables were turned?
.... about to double up on my blood pressure meds (j/k) 
