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by snatchel
Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:25 pm
Forum: The Crime Blotter
Topic: Gunfire during Dark Night Rises
Replies: 496
Views: 75483

Re: Gunfire during Dark Night Rises

ScooterSissy wrote:
The Mad Moderate wrote:
C-dub wrote:
The Mad Moderate wrote:Apples and oranges, you cannot compare the two.
Not apples and oranges. Maybe red delicious and granny smith, but still apples to apples.
A few hijackers with box cutters vs 6-7 people does not equal a heavily armed man wearing armor vs 1 guy with a handgun no matter how you add it up.
Huh??? You lost me. You realize that
1) The BGs actually had more than boxcutters, they had the PLANE.
2) Those 6-7 DIED as a result of their actions.

How could someone rushing the Aurora shooter have ended up any worse?!?!

They didn't have a plane... they had boxcutters. They then used the boxcutters to take the plane. I think you misunderstood him.
by snatchel
Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:48 pm
Forum: The Crime Blotter
Topic: Gunfire during Dark Night Rises
Replies: 496
Views: 75483

Re: Gunfire during Dark Night Rises

snatchel wrote:http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/201 ... oting.html

Don't know if it has been posted or not yet.... But the first lawsuit against Century 16 Theater has been filed.
My response?

Knew it wouldn't take long. First, this guy needs to sue himself for not being responsible enough to take his own personal security into his OWN hands and get his concealed handgun license. Next, he needs to sue the theater for BANNING concealed handguns in the theater, not for leaving an emergency door unarmed and unguarded. Sue Holme's doctors.. well... doctors get sued all the time. They have insurance for that and he isn't going to win anyway. Lastly, he needs to sue HIS OWN CONSCIENCE for allowing himself to go see this "irresponsibly violent" movie.
by snatchel
Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:43 pm
Forum: The Crime Blotter
Topic: Gunfire during Dark Night Rises
Replies: 496
Views: 75483

Re: Gunfire during Dark Night Rises

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/201 ... oting.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Don't know if it has been posted or not yet.... But the first lawsuit against Century 16 Theater has been filed.
by snatchel
Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:25 pm
Forum: The Crime Blotter
Topic: Gunfire during Dark Night Rises
Replies: 496
Views: 75483

Re: Gunfire during Dark Night Rises

The Annoyed Man wrote:
VMI77 wrote:
psijac wrote:
philip964 wrote:Rodger Ebert comments on the owning of guns in light of the shooting in the movie theater.

http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2012/07 ... count.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The sun times must have a whip crack good team of moderaters.  There is not a single dissenting option in the comments section.  Anti gunners wish they could stuff the genie back in a bottle.
I see lots of dissenting opinion now, though the majority are antis --which, really, isn't a big surprise.  Ebert is a liberal movie critic...his bread and butter is Holloywood movie liberalism...and most of the movies he reviews probably appeal more to liberals than conservatives, so I suspect his audience is primarily liberals. He also resides and writes for a paper in one of the most liberal and corrupt cities in the nation....who would voluntarily live there but a liberal?
Well, I doubt it will be approved for publication, but here is the respons I posted (under the name "whamprod"):
Small problem with your suggestion regarding form 4473....

Without a necessary adjudication of insanity, anybody could make an accusation of insanity against someone who is not insane, merely for the purpose of stripping that person of a constitutional right with which the accuser disagrees, or for the just as venal purpose of "punishing" someone whom accuser does not like. Requiring adjudication of insanity is what keeps rights alive. How many people, for instance, have been added to the "no-fly" list who have never been part of a terrorist organization or made terroristic threats against anyone? It happens all the time, and the government has conveniently removed itself from accountability regarding maintenance of that list. Once on it, even wrongly so, it is nearly impossible and extremely expensive to get one's self removed from it. How many people have been falsely accused of rape and/or child molestation? It happens, and people have actually been imprisoned on such false charges which were later dropped when the accuser recanted their testimony.

Form 4473 also asks a lot of other questions about criminal convictions, legal residency, spousal abuse, etc. ALL of the answers to these questions can be lied about on the form, but theoretically, all false forms will be rejected by NICS—unless you are Eric Holder's Justice Department instructing conscientious gun sellers to ignore their misgivings and knowingly sell a gun to a suspected cartel member, so that it can be smuggled into Mexico and used to execute hundreds of Mexican nationals in their own country.

Crazy people who have not been adjudicated as insane and who have never had intervention from a psychiatric professional are simply a risk we take as a free society. Time after time after time, the liberal response to tragedy is to advocate for the repression of God-given (or "natural" if you prefer that term) human rights. The Supreme Court of the United States of America has ruled definitively that police have no duty to protect. They don't. So, how do we resolve that? After all, they may not have a duty to protect, but we do have an absolute right to be safe in our persons and property, and any violation of that is a violation of one of the fundamental tenets upon which any orderly society is based.

It is an undeniable fact that when you disarm law-abiding people, only the law-breakers remain armed. Don't believe me? Who owns handguns in Great Britain these days—the law abiding, or the law breakers? That's a valid question because there are still a lot of handguns in the hands of private persons in Great Britain, just not law-abiding persons, and those guns do get used in crimes. Despite all of her draconian gun laws, Great Britain still has gun crime. It has not been eliminated.

When you remove the ability of someone to defend him/herself with a gun from someone who has no such regard for the law, you have committed a great immorality. And that is what is so terribly wrong with the liberal gun control agenda: it is immoral. It states that the life of a law-abiding citizen is worth less than the life of a criminal, and this in a society in which police are under no constitutional obligation to protect the public.

Liberals are actively involved in creating a nation of sheep.....which is perfect for them (the liberals) because it justifies their top-down nanny state utopian ideals.

In a recent interview by an obviously anti-gun biased "journalist," rapper Iced-T was asked if he thought that banning semiautomatic rifles and larger capacity magazines wouldn't prevent another Aurora, Colorado style massacre. He answered, correctly, that no it would not...not even if you successfully removed every one of them from circulation...because crazy Islamists (as opposed to mainstream peaceful muslims) have proven time and again that one person can strap on a suicide vest and take out a hundred innocent victims instead of the dozen or so that this maniac in Aurora killed. It isn't about the gun. It is about the heart of the person wielding it. If that person is driven to kill, and he can't get a gun, he'll use something else. And thanks to the generations of sheep that liberals have been creating, 19 clearly insane people killed 3,000 innocent people on 9/11 with BOXCUTTERS(!!!), because with the exception of Todd Beamer and those few hardy souls on Flight 93, nobody on any of those four airliners had the courage to challenge a maniac with a boxcutter. So now, thanks to those bent, twisted "martyrs of the one truth faith," you and I cannot carry a pair of fingernail clippers or a penknife onboard an airliner. Thanks to someone else with a failed bomb in his panties, we can't carry 3.5 oz of shampoo onto an airplane. That is the typical nanny-state response. It may well be crazy to shoot up a movie theater, but it's even crazier when seemingly free and sovereign citizens make the inexplicably cowardly choice to live in fear and stamp out the natural rights of their fellow citizens in an ultimatey futile attempt to make the world into a kind and gentle place......a world which has never been kind and gentle throughout the entire span of humanity's existence!

No, free societies are not without risks. Dress accordingly. I carry .45 caliber pistol everywhere I go. Everywhere. And no, that does not make me paranoid. It makes me no more and no less paranoid than someone who keeps a fire-extinguisher in their kitchen. And just as that fire-extinguisher doesn't get in the way of the cook's enjoyment of cooking and puttering about their kitchen, that gun on my hip in no way gets in the way of having a normal happy day just like anybody else's normal happy day. It simple means that I have proactively chosen to prepare myself for the however remote possiblity of having to protect myself. That is called "taking responsibility" over that part of my life for which the government is not responsible. If the law prevents me from entering a business with my concealed pistol because of the signs posted on the doors, then being a law abiding citizen, I take my business elsewhere where I will be more welcome. In the meantime, not one single one of those signs will keep the armed felon or the armed maniac from carrying a concealed weapon into that same place. In other words, the signs make it more dangerous rather than less dangerous to enter those places.

The poor people who were shot in that Aurora theater realistically had no logical expectation that this theater was any safer than any other theater, because those signs barring a legally concealed weapon from being carried into the theater were nothing more than......well....theater.

How far have we strayed from the nation's founding principles when the right to free speech includes the right to view and sell pornography made by women who are treated as simple sex objects without a brain; when the "right" to contraception includes the "right" to terminate a human life for the mere convenience of the mother; and when the most basic and fundamental right to keep and bear arms is continually under assault from people who do not basically and fundamentally value human rights? This nation was founded on the principle that our rights are natural. They exist before government exists. They exist because we live and breath. They can only be taken from us by taking our lives away.

There are people today, Roger Ebert among them, who have a bully pulpit not shared by the vast majority of Americans, and who advocate for the crushing of personal freedom because they themselves lack the courage or stamina to face the fact that the world is not the warm, safe womb they wish it were. It is a broken place, full of broken people, some of whom have murderous impulses, and SCOTUS has ruled that we must depend upon ourselves for protection. Roger Ebert, and his kind, wish to remove from us the means of that protection, and that is an immoral position, based upon willful blindness.

And when it comes to the age old real reason behind the 2nd Amendment—not hunting, but protection from a tyrannical government—that tyranny is exactly what the Eberts of the world argue for when they argue for the removal of that most basic right and the right to implement and exercise that right by whatever means the holder of it deems necessary. In a world where you cannot remove obscenity from free speech, asking or requiring citizens to accept limitations on their choice of firearm ownership and use is itself obscene.

TAM. Eloquent and on point as always.
by snatchel
Sun Jul 22, 2012 11:35 pm
Forum: The Crime Blotter
Topic: Gunfire during Dark Night Rises
Replies: 496
Views: 75483

Re: Gunfire during Dark Night Rises

The Mad Moderate wrote:
gras wrote:
The Mad Moderate wrote:
Bart wrote:
Right2Carry wrote:Someone needs to follow the money. Where did this unemployed kid get the funds to purchase multiple weapons, ammo, body armor, riot helmit, gas mask, neck and groin protector, and sophisticated bomb making materials?
Based on what we know, it's possible he got everything from Holder and Obama. Not directly from their hands, but at their direction. If it was part of Fast and Furious, it explains why Obama didn't want those documents to see the light of day. Continuing the coverup only makes sense if there's more to the plot than providing guns to Mexican drug gangs. For example if they have other plans like this in motion.
Yeah sure, in other new Bush was behind the 9/11 and anthrax attacks.
That sounds like something an Obama supporter would say to distract attention from the truth. :roll:

From where I sit, there's strong evidence Obama and Holder were willing to provide guns for gangs to murder innocent Mexicans, because they could use the crisis they manufactured to push their attack on the Bill of Rights. Orchestrating something like this for the same agenda would be totally in character for men like that.
Yeaahh sure. I have stated many times I will not be voting for Obama in November. I think you are off your rocker if you really think that Obama was behind this, it helps nothing and makes you and people on the extreme right seem even more crazy. That type of politicization helps no one and is not productive. I think it is treasonous to suggest that a sitting President was behind the massacre,if you truly believe that, there is nothing I can do to help you and I would personally suggest professional help as you seem to have a disconnect from reality.
Gotta agree with Mad Moderate on this one too.

I don't like Obama any more than any of the other Conservatives on here, but I don't think making rash statements like, "Obama had a hand in this," is productive. I would place statements like that along the lines of some of the statements my grandfather makes about Obama such as:

"Obama was born in Kenya, he isn't even American."
"Obama has his dog fly on a separate airplane because Muslim's can't fly on the same plane as a dog."

Statements like this are ridiculous, no where close to credible, and supported by no factual evidence. I am not saying that Obama's reputation is pristine, and I think the guy is crooked as can be as far as politicians go... but there is no sense in stirring up folks with nonsense. It is no different than many of the liberals we hate so much making statements to the effect of, "Pro-CHL states have a higher crime rate due to more guns in circulation."

Lets stick with what we know and can prove!
by snatchel
Sun Jul 22, 2012 12:14 am
Forum: The Crime Blotter
Topic: Gunfire during Dark Night Rises
Replies: 496
Views: 75483

Re: Gunfire during Dark Night Rises

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-18877454" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Interesting read on gun control policy following Aurora incident.
by snatchel
Sat Jul 21, 2012 10:56 pm
Forum: The Crime Blotter
Topic: Gunfire during Dark Night Rises
Replies: 496
Views: 75483

Re: Gunfire during Dark Night Rises

Mrs. Snatchel and I went to watch Dark Knight tonight. We both agreed that going to see the movie is the best way we can honor the victims of the shooting. Going to watch the movie after the tragedy that happened is our way of showing James Holmes and the rest of the world that we are NOT going to be bullied by fear.

Still, my observations:

There were several police in and around the theater. There were 2 officers in the theater room for the actual showing, one sitting in the front row and one sitting in the back. Some kid got loud (the officers did not come in till just before the movie started, we were sitting in the back and saw him come in... apparently the kid didn't) and started talking back to the screen during the movie, and the officer escorted him out quickly.

This was a Cinemark theater, and no signs were present. I did carry, OWB, a G17 and an LCP. We enjoyed the movie, despite a dark lingering thought in our minds that just 48 hours ago 12 people were killed and 50+ wounded doing the same thing we were doing: trying to enjoy an evening out. Even worse was the fact that many people in that theater, as far as we know, could have been carrying and weren't.
by snatchel
Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:04 pm
Forum: The Crime Blotter
Topic: Gunfire during Dark Night Rises
Replies: 496
Views: 75483

Re: Gunfire during Dark Night Rises

Jim Beaux wrote:Ive been patiently waiting and yet no one has stated the obvious; this slaughter is not about access to guns, it's about the influence of violent video games and movies on easily influenced young kids. Due to the media bombardment, our society has become indifferent to commitment to marriage, illegitimate children, same sex pairings, character, drugs, and work ethics.

Have any of you seen some of the trash being distributed? Life has no sanctity. Ive read that this particular movie involves a lot of extraordinary sadistic and violent acts. I understand this movie has a scene in which a victim has a bomb sewn inside him & I also understand that one of the latest James Bond movies shows the hero stuffing a bomb in the villain's rear end before setting it off.

The gun is only the tool, the "can opener" if you will. The honest questions are, just what motivates this sort of violence and just what reduces the regard for humanity & life?

Eating with a Spoon makes me Fat.
Buying Firearms makes me dangerous.
Being ex-Military, and SPEC-0 at that, makes me incredibly dangrous.
Buying high-cap "clips" means I want to kill people.

You get where I am going with this? Batman, or any other movie didnt make this guy do anything. All violent movies/etc. did, if anything at all, was give a theme to whatever motive he already had. This guy wanted to kill people and make a mess of things anyway, Batman just provided him a theme-the Joker.

I can say that ...... I want to drink beer. Coors Light commercials give me a theme to go by... and I choose Coors Light.

People are responsible for their own actions, buddy. The media, movies, artists, songs, parents, and teachers are not responsible for other people's evil actions.

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