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Re: Question for all Glock owners : My Glock jammed!

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xpur3l0g1cx wrote:It was the mags not the pistol.... Thank god, I tried to clean them when i first bought the pistol and i think I screwed them up, it was to hard to take them apart. So glock is 100 percent now thanks... Oh btw.. my Xd jammed(slide kept locking back, Im left handed so not hitting the slide stop just jammed happened on 3 different xd's I owned), my 1911 jammed(most hollow points), went back to glock and decided to stay. I live in a humid area near the lake and it seems this pistol is the only one I own that didn't want to rust outside the safe. +1 for Glock
Wow.

With a malfunction history like that with a set of guns known for their reliability, it might be worth spending some time learning about the operation and maintenance dos and don'ts of whatever you finally decide to carry.

Unless you were born under a particularly unlucky set of stars, there's more going on here than just defective hardware.
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Re: Question for all Glock owners : My Glock jammed!

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The first Xd I had was a .45 service model. It constantly had problems with the mags, was no big deal just got more. Then I noticed sometimes when I shot it, it would lock the slide back. I googled around to find out it could have been the slide lock. I readjusted my grip and went on did it a few times after that. Had my brother shoot it (fort bend county deputy) same thing. I then sold it and got a glock 30. Glock was 100 percent but couldn't get over the whole glock stigma. Traded for an Xd 40sc. Shot that and when the gun had the extended magazine it would lock back prematurely. Sometimes when the mag still had rounds in it. Happened a few times more while shooting with some glock guys which were 100 percent. I Then tried to xd 9, no real problems out of that other than the fact I didn't like 9mm. So I thought about it thinking I've never had a ND. The Glock had a better finish. Better Reliability, and it wasn't so tall that it was awkard to carry. Got used to the trigger and never looked back. I was raised on 1911's, It was hard for me to make to switch to Glock(tried to avoid it) I love my 29. Its weird when I start shooting, not sure why but people tend to leave when I start shooting and the wives start hiding behind the husbands. It is very controllable and the double tap is a slap to the palm. What more could you ask for!

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Re: Question for all Glock owners : My Glock jammed!

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After viewing how some with the 10mm and .45acp sfs were having problems I decided to try and feed all types of ammo from all my clips in my Glock 20sf. Well I found a feeding problem on one particular load and I thought I would inform other 10mm guys. The slide will look like it goes into battery but it is actually a 1/8 of an inch from full battery. If I eject the magazine the round will go into full battery. It happens with ONLY the first round in a 10 or 15 round clip and it happens about every 5 times I try to chamber a round. The load is Double Tap 135 grain Nosler HP. Like I said I tried it with every bullet and every mag I own and it would only be the first round in the mag. It also only does it when I don't use the slide stop release. This tells me that the extra force is shoving the slide forward and forcing the round in. If I tap the handle or slide the round will chamber.

I tried many other rounds. Doing the same routine and found no problems. I wonder if it is because this is such a light grain load that it has something to do with the first round not chambering. Maybe spring pressure? Not sure. I don't know if it would fire but if you didn't look at it closely when at the range you wouldn't notice it. I never noticed it before but like I said if you use the slide release it will chamber the round every time.
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Re: Question for all Glock owners : My Glock jammed!

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CC Italian wrote:After viewing how some with the 10mm and .45acp sfs were having problems I decided to try and feed all types of ammo from all my clips in my Glock 20sf. Well I found a feeding problem on one particular load and I thought I would inform other 10mm guys. The slide will look like it goes into battery but it is actually a 1/8 of an inch from full battery. If I eject the magazine the round will go into full battery. It happens with ONLY the first round in a 10 or 15 round clip and it happens about every 5 times I try to chamber a round. The load is Double Tap 135 grain Nosler HP. Like I said I tried it with every bullet and every mag I own and it would only be the first round in the mag. It also only does it when I don't use the slide stop release. This tells me that the extra force is shoving the slide forward and forcing the round in. If I tap the handle or slide the round will chamber.

I tried many other rounds. Doing the same routine and found no problems. I wonder if it is because this is such a light grain load that it has something to do with the first round not chambering. Maybe spring pressure? Not sure. I don't know if it would fire but if you didn't look at it closely when at the range you wouldn't notice it. I never noticed it before but like I said if you use the slide release it will chamber the round every time.
Please describe how you chamber a round when you don't use the slide release. I suspect there may be a clue to the issue there.
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Re: Question for all Glock owners : My Glock jammed!

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I pull back the slide and do guide it foward some. I do this with all my glocks and there is not a problem. Also I have tried pulling back the slide and letting it slam shut by hand. This will work just like the slide release and chamber the round. I just find it a little funny that it needs that much more force to chamber to light weight load. I don't have any other problems with my .40 or 9mm glocks doing it this way. The slide must be let to slam shut one way or another or the round will not properly chamber sometimes.

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Re: Question for all Glock owners : My Glock jammed!

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There is no need to baby a Glock, let that slide hit home hard (when chambering a round).

I have trained myself to always pull back on the back of the slide and let nature (and the spring) take it's course. I've done that 100% since 2002 and have not had any issues doing things that way.


Ok, I have never had ANY issues with Glocks since starting to use them in 1996, but they really are a reliable design to me.

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Re: Question for all Glock owners : My Glock jammed!

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That’s what I figured but I find it funny it only does it with 135 grain load and both magazines must be loaded fully. I tried around 10 different loads from various manufacturers and only could replicate it with this Double Tap load. If I have 14 in the 15 round mag it won't replicate the problem. I tried many times and I couldn't get it to reoccur no matter if I had 1 or 14 rounds in the mag. Same with the 10 round clip. If I load 9 in the mag and chambered a round I could not get it to occur. Like I said letting the slide slam shut will solve the problem but It also must have something to do with the magazine spring when fully compressed with a full mag.
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Re: Question for all Glock owners : My Glock jammed!

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CC Italian wrote:That’s what I figured but I find it funny it only does it with 135 grain load and both magazines must be loaded fully. I tried around 10 different loads from various manufacturers and only could replicate it with this Double Tap load. If I have 14 in the 15 round mag it won't replicate the problem. I tried many times and I couldn't get it to reoccur no matter if I had 1 or 14 rounds in the mag. Same with the 10 round clip. If I load 9 in the mag and chambered a round I could not get it to occur. Like I said letting the slide slam shut will solve the problem but It also must have something to do with the magazine spring when fully compressed with a full mag.
The situation you're experiencing is not the fault of the loads in the cartridges, although there could be a slight difference in the cartridges' inertia when chambering.

Your gun is designed so that when the slide is fully retracted and released, the breech face delivers a known and sufficient level of energy to the back of a cartridge in the magazine to release it from the magazine feed lips, drive it into the chamber and lock the slide shut. If you interfere with the design function by "riding" the slide forward with your hand, the result is a variable and lesser level of energy imparted to the cartridge. Depending on how much you interfere with the slide's return, you could cause a failure to go into battery with any round in the magazine, but obviously the issue would show up most readily with the first round from a full magazine, because of the high level of friction between the cartridge case and the feed lips under the maximum pressure of the fully compressed magazine spring. For this reason you won't find this technique to be recommended or endorsed in the operating manual of any handgun.

This is all a really long way of saying that if you retract the slide all the way and let it go like the manual that accompanied the gun tells you to do, a well designed gun like a Glock will always chamber the round and lock the slide into battery. If you don't use the gun in the manner it was designed and "ride the slide" forward you'll continue to experience failures of the slide to go into battery without an extra rap on the rear of the slide. There's no advantage to this practice, and, as you have discovered, lots of downside.

The slide hold open lever is a small sheet metal part that is hard to find and release under stress. It is designed primarily to lock the slide open after the last shot. Glocks load best when the slide, whether held open by the slide stop or not, is released by pulling the slide to the stop at the rear and then released. Some call it a "slingshot" technique. It works with virtually any semiauto handgun (a training advantage) and eliminates fumbles with slide stop levers of varying size.
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Re: Question for all Glock owners : My Glock jammed!

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Makes sense what you said with the first round in the mag. I know what you mean with the "slingshot" but I have never had it happen before. I assume it is just more prone to not feed with the 10mm because of springs or 135 grain because of this incorrect method. I always used to use the slide stop to close the slide or rack the slide "slingshot" like until a Harris County Sheriff’s officer and firearms instructor told me it put unnecessary wear on the gun. I know this sounds silly considering the gun takes much more of a beating from the 10mm pressure then racking the slide good and hard but I have been told this by others who have much more experience then myself. Guess I will just go back to how I did it years ago when I first starting shooting firearms.
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