CHL or not??

[MR Redneck]

That's a good idea. Ignorance of the law is no excuse. (Except, apparently, for false arrest.)
DPS has the laws online. http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/InternetFo ... CHL-16.pdf

When you carry in the real world, you're the one who will face any consequences. Your instructor (even if he or she is a Texas instructor) probably won't cover your legal expenses if you're arrested in Texas while following his or her legal advice. If you're convicted, he or she definitely won't serve your jail/prison sentence in your place.

Thanks man.. Thats pretty much how I feel about it. Most of the forums I look at have a lot of CHL instructors arguing back and forth about the penal code.
Who's answer is correct??
I find myself studying for myself so I will know what the book says.
Utah or Texas, neither really matter to me because I will still do my best to follow up and keep reading the laws. I read them pretty often but find myself distracted with other things. I do know a couple of CHL instructors around here that try really hard, and even they will tell ya to read the Codes...

[MR Redneck]

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Is there one of those troll smiley thingys.

If you think the State has no responsibility to teach people about gun safety and laws then you need to go read through the statutes because it is required teaching in a Texas CHL class.

If you have already made up your mind about it, why the heck would you come to a TEXAS CHL FORUM and ask for our opinions on whether you should get a Texas CHL.

Go to the Utah CHL forum and ask them.

Troll huh?? Thats good, real good..
Everyone else is acting like an adult in this thread and if it doesnt satisfy you then dont read it anymore.
I dont recall running anyone down, I just have a simlpy issue I feel like needed to be discussed.

[RPB]

That's a good idea. Ignorance of the law is no excuse. (Except, apparently, for false arrest.)
DPS has the laws online. http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/InternetFo ... CHL-16.pdf

When you carry in the real world, you're the one who will face any consequences. Your instructor (even if he or she is a Texas instructor) probably won't cover your legal expenses if you're arrested in Texas while following his or her legal advice. If you're convicted, he or she definitely won't serve your jail/prison sentence in your place.

Thanks man.. Thats pretty much how I feel about it. Most of the forums I look at have a lot of CHL instructors arguing back and forth about the penal code.
Who's answer is correct??
I find myself studying for myself so I will know what the book says.
Utah or Texas, neither really matter to me because I will still do my best to follow up and keep reading the laws. I read them pretty often but find myself distracted with other things. I do know a couple of CHL instructors around here that try really hard, and even they will tell ya to read the Codes...

even they will tell ya to read the Codes.. yes I think they all would.
I trust CHL instructors who are attorneys the most; though I took the course from an instructor who is a former LEO, due to distance and because I previously worked 25 years at law firms and know pretty well how to read legalese, after taking all the courses for a Bachelors in American Jurisprudence and having taken research/writing and some other courses at U of H at Mary Bates and being accepted at South Texas, but then deciding on another career path.

But yes, you'll run into 2 CHL instructors who disagree often, as you can easily run into 2 lawyers who disagree. I highly recommend reading for yourself, but input from instructors can also be thought provoking in certain areas one wouldn't think about. I mean my instructor brought up situations I hadn't thought about, but researched on my own later.

[MR Redneck]

I do read a lot of stuff CHL instructor discuss that really gets you to thinking. Cant say I know what to make of it most of the time.

[texasjeep44]

Troll huh?? Thats good, real good..
Everyone else is acting like an adult in this thread and if it doesnt satisfy you then dont read it anymore.
I dont recall running anyone down, I just have a simlpy issue I feel like needed to be discussed.

Lets see, considering comments except legislative purpose, safety and laws are not the states responsibility. Ignoring federal statutes that specifically state that the license must be issued by the state in which the school zone is. Focusing on the "money, money, money". Stating falsely that the state charges for the right to keep and bear arms.

I don't consider that acting like an adult.

Here are the laws related to Texas CHL if you wish to learn them. http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/InternetFo ... CHL-16.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If you have a specific question I suggest you ask it, instead of asking if you should save money by getting a Utah license instead of a Texas license.

If your worried that much about the money, my suggestion is simply to carry a long gun around, it is free and legal. Exercise your RKBA like that all you want.

[MR Redneck]

I do carry long guns around. They just get heavy after a while.

[baraco01]

"MR Redneck wrote:
Skill's,???? I'll take anyone up on a challenge anytime..Like most firearms owners, I enjoy shooting my stuff, probably a little too much..."


Dave Sevigny is challenging you JOKE

[CWOOD]

Let's look at the actual cost.

The initial license is $140 for 4-5 years depending on birth date in relation to license issuance.

That is $28-30/year. That is one gallon of gas per month.

Renewal is $70 for 5 years.

That is $14/year. One cup of coffee at an inexpensive diner every other month if you leave a tip.

Renewal after age 60 is $35 for five years.

That is $7/year. That is one beef fajita taco at Taco Cabana every six months.


Come on folks. You can even put it on a credit card now. Lets' keep in all in perspective. Pack a lunch one day a week for a month...or for six months for the initial license.

I know that coming up with $140. On my first few licenses we had to have a check and I had to juggle some finances temporarily. We just make the choices that are important to us. The financial impact on your life is minimal at most.

[baraco01]

Let's look at the actual cost.

The initial license is $140 for 4-5 years depending on birth date in relation to license issuance.

That is $28-30/year. That is one gallon of gas per month.

Renewal is $70 for 5 years.

That is $14/year. One cup of coffee at an inexpensive diner every other month if you leave a tip.

Renewal after age 60 is $35 for five years.

That is $7/year. That is one beef fajita taco at Taco Cabana every six months.

Come on folks. You can even put it on a credit card now. Lets' keep in all in perspective. Pack a lunch one day a week for a month...or for six months for the initial license.

I know that coming up with $140. On my first few licenses we had to have a check and I had to juggle some finances temporarily. We just make the choices that are important to us. The financial impact on your life is minimal at most.

I personally lessened my smoking... from 4 packs a week, I went down to 2 when I got my CHL. You're a Texas resident, get the TXCHL. Support the state. It is not as complicated as it seems when you don't complicate things.

[TexasGal]

The way some are promoting the Utah, it isn't primarily so you can carry in other states, it's so you can skip some important parts of the Texas requirements. What sort of students does this attract? Sure, you can learn the laws outside of class, but many people simply will not do so if not required to. The Utah instructors can take extra time to cover some laws, but they don't have to--and what requirement do they have to actually know them well enough themselves? That leaves you with the ethical ones who will try to quickly hit the high points anyway and the others who just want to do the absolute lazy minimum for the people whose goal is the same. I don't care to have this kind of combination producing people carrying guns around any more than I want drivers on the road who never had to drive a car or learn the traffic laws before getting keys to big rigs. I have to believe the formula will sooner or later lead to news coverage turning public opinion against us.

I was a green ignorant newbie when I took my Texas CHL class, but it was taught by an experienced Fort Worth police officer. Believe me, he talked a lot about the laws--many of which I was clueless. He sincerely wanted every person in that room to carry a gun and just as sincerely wanted them to stay out of jail too. He repeatedly impressed upon us legal snafus can take months or years out of your life and lawyers are not cheap and neither is bail. One stupid act and you can lose your legal ability to carry.

I am in the crowd who says get a Texas CHL and then a Utah if you want to carry elsewhere. In fact, I would not be opposed to a CHL requirement where one entire day was devoted to the law alone with situational examples for the initial license. The the second day could be a beginner firearms class and qualification for new shooters (full day) or just a proficiency test for experienced shooters--but that's a whole nother boxing match.

Like it or not, we have to protect ourselves from handing ammo to the antis. That is the real world we live in, not the fantasy where we all tote guns around in unfettered glory. If we keep being able to hold up pristine records for safety, knowledge, and staying out of trouble, then some day we just might turn public support into the ability to open carry or conceal anywhere we please. That is a lot more important than saving some dough or wanting to have the absolute shortest route possible to a license.

And, yes, I do remember what they say about opinions and I do respect the right of others to differ with mine, so please flame gently.

[Purplehood]

Here is the biggest problem I have with the State CHL mess. I know several people who like to provoke people and present themselfs in a negative manner. These people all have CHL's and I attempted to report them to the DPS in Austin.

I won't be bashful. I think that statement threw me off. Perhaps if you could provide a little background as to why you did what appears on the surface to be a really stinky thing to do, I might be able to evaluate your posts better.

[longtooth]

Troll huh?? Thats good, real good..
Everyone else is acting like an adult in this thread and if it doesnt satisfy you then dont read it anymore.
I dont recall running anyone down, I just have a simlpy issue I feel like needed to be discussed.

Lets see, considering comments except legislative purpose, safety and laws are not the states responsibility. Ignoring federal statutes that specifically state that the license must be issued by the state in which the school zone is. Focusing on the "money, money, money". Stating falsely that the state charges for the right to keep and bear arms.

I don't consider that acting like an adult.

Here are the laws related to Texas CHL if you wish to learn them. http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/InternetFo ... CHL-16.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If you have a specific question I suggest you ask it, instead of asking if you should save money by getting a Utah license instead of a Texas license.

If your worried that much about the money, my suggestion is simply to carry a long gun around, it is free and legal. Exercise your RKBA like that all you want.

Gentlemen, please remember:
No name calling or arguing. Keep it on the issue & not personal.
Thanks LT

[MR Redneck]

Here is the biggest problem I have with the State CHL mess. I know several people who like to provoke people and present themselfs in a negative manner. These people all have CHL's and I attempted to report them to the DPS in Austin.

I won't be bashful. I think that statement threw me off. Perhaps if you could provide a little background as to why you did what appears on the surface to be a really stinky thing to do, I might be able to evaluate your posts better.

Im not sure what you mean by stinky, but i'll be glad to elaberate on the subject.
We have a local " sell your stuff, post local event, chat" website here on the west side of the state. For example, one of the members is a disliked person who is always running of at the mouth and calling people out on the website. Myself as well as others know he's a pill poping doper. If you seen him, the first thing you would think is, This guy needs to shut up. He aint built to be fighting with people. He's alway provoking people ect, ect... I really have no desire to beat the boy's butt even though I feel like he needs it. The fact that he has a CHL and constantly conducts himself in a manner that provokes people is exactly why I discussed the issue with the DPS.
Me personaly, I dont agree with the CHL requirment. I see no reason why a socker Mom needs the states permission to defend herself and her kids from the bad elements of sociaty. If the state wants to require people to have a license, I think they should follow up better on complaints agianst those who have them.
Basicly im sayin firearms are not suppose to be ego builders. If a person has a CHL and acts in a provocative manner, I really dont think they should be able to keep those privileges. If you ever seen the boy at the racetrack or anywhere else, you'll notice he stands with his hand in his pocket all the time. Kinda like a person would who knows people cant stand his butt.
If im wrong to think people should have decent conduct while carrying a weapon makes me "stinky" then im fine with that.
BTW, I have been visiting Arizona pretty often this year and noticed something pretty special. The place is like a different world. Most of the places I visit have armed people everywhere. I hate to admit it, but the politeness of people out there really stands out. I havent put my finger on it yet, but something is very different out there.

[TxKimberMan]

We have a local " sell your stuff, post local event, chat" website here on the west side of the state. For example, one of the members is a disliked person who is always running of at the mouth and calling people out on the website.

I don't recall seeing that specific behavior being cited in the Texas Penal Code. Is he brandishing a weapon via webcam or something?

[jamisjockey]

We have a local " sell your stuff, post local event, chat" website here on the west side of the state. For example, one of the members is a disliked person who is always running of at the mouth and calling people out on the website.

I don't recall seeing that specific behavior being cited in the Texas Penal Code. Is he brandishing a weapon via webcam or something?

Intentional failure to conceal!!!!!!