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Re: 17y/o Killed By Neighborhood Watch/CHL

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Bullitt wrote:
ScooterSissy wrote:...Exactly which action of Zimmerman's were "unjustifited"? Zimmerman said...
Oh, did Zimmerman testify? My bad :smilelol5:
See if you can tell the difference between these two:

Zimmerman said
Zimmerman testified

No, Zimmerman did not testify. He did exactly what I claimed he did, he said he did not confront. Then the prosecution submitted that statement as evidence. There was no evidece that disputed that, but plenty that supported it.

But, I agree with you, it's "your bad". You keep making that claim, that he confronted, with absolutely nothing to back it up.
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What good is doing to retry the case on here? Wasn't the guy already acquitted using our country's judicial system?
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ScooterSissy wrote:
Bullitt wrote:
ScooterSissy wrote:...Exactly which action of Zimmerman's were "unjustifited"? Zimmerman said...
Oh, did Zimmerman testify? My bad :smilelol5:
See if you can tell the difference between these two:

Zimmerman said
Zimmerman testified
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mojo84 wrote:What good is doing to retry the case on here? Wasn't the guy already acquitted using our country's judicial system?
This isn't so much "retrying" the case, as it is some folks claiming Zimmerman was "stupid" and set back all CHL owners, because he ... well, did something he said he didn't do, and for which there is no evidence indicating he did.

Yeah, that was really stupid...

I'll grant this. If he confronted Martin, he was doing something stuipid. Following, observing, reporting to the police, even getting out of the car to do so - nope, not illegal, not wrong, not even stupid.
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Re: 17y/o Killed By Neighborhood Watch/CHL

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ScooterSissy wrote:
Bullitt wrote:
ScooterSissy wrote:...Exactly which action of Zimmerman's were "unjustifited"? Zimmerman said...
Oh, did Zimmerman testify? My bad :smilelol5:
See if you can tell the difference between these two:

Zimmerman said
Zimmerman testified

No, Zimmerman did not testify. He did exactly what I claimed he did, he said he did not confront. Then the prosecution submitted that statement as evidence. There was no evidece that disputed that, but plenty that supported it.

But, I agree with you, it's "your bad". You keep making that claim, that he confronted, with absolutely nothing to back it up.
If you listen to what is being said, most people are quoting the news papers and magazines. Not what the trial transcripts indicate.
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Re: 17y/o Killed By Neighborhood Watch/CHL

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Bullitt wrote:
03Lightningrocks wrote:...I grew up a military brat. Traveled all over... we moved to a city not far from you, Pasadena Texas. Where I spent five years having to fight my way home from school at least three days a week. But still, never managed to become a Trayvon...I watched all the "gangsta shows". I just never had the desire to fantasize it ...I see no need in getting on the Internet and pretending I am some kind of "tough guy". It is pointless since nobody believes that stuff anyway...
There's a lot of posers on the internet. This site could have it's share as well. I will say, however, that Pasadena, TX ain't South Central Los Angeles, not back then, and not now. You must have really been pogie bait to get preyed upon like that 3-days a week, especially in those days when it was probably more benign in Pasadena. Military brat? Nice, but I was actually in the Army. So what's your point in bringing all that up?


I think you got the message. Nobody is impressed with your big talk of how tough you had it. By the way... A few posts back you said you were done here. The neighborhood TRAYTRAY was cruising was no south central LA. "Pogie Bait" ? Lol... Yeah... You sound like a real tough guy to me. ;-)


Oh.. The reason I told you I was a military brat would not have to be explained if you spent any time beyond the six month boot camp. Military families movie all over the country. That was the point... Sorry it went over your head... But not real surprised.

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MeMelYup wrote:
ScooterSissy wrote:
Bullitt wrote:
ScooterSissy wrote:...Exactly which action of Zimmerman's were "unjustifited"? Zimmerman said...
Oh, did Zimmerman testify? My bad :smilelol5:
See if you can tell the difference between these two:

Zimmerman said
Zimmerman testified

No, Zimmerman did not testify. He did exactly what I claimed he did, he said he did not confront. Then the prosecution submitted that statement as evidence. There was no evidece that disputed that, but plenty that supported it.

But, I agree with you, it's "your bad". You keep making that claim, that he confronted, with absolutely nothing to back it up.
If you listen to what is being said, most people are quoting the news papers and magazines. Not what the trial transcripts indicate.
Yes indeed. There are so many things that people "know" that are just wrong...
  • No 911 dispatcher told Zimmerman to do anything. Zimmerman didn't call 911, he called the non-emergency number
  • The police dispatcher did not tell Zimmerman not to follow; he told Zimmerman "we don't need you to do that". Testimony in court indicated that the dispatchers tell callers that to avoid liability if something happened while following. (Side note here - my adult daughter was involved in a hit and run. She followed the girl that hit her and called 911. 911 told her the exact same words "we don't need you to do that". She did anyway. When the police were arresting the girl, they said "We're glad you were able to follow her.")
  • Martin did not buy tea, he bought a soft drink called Arizona Watermelon Fruit Juice Cocktail (Skittles and that drink are 2/3 of the ingredients needed for a drug cocktail called "Lean").
  • Zimmerman said to the dispatcher (in the unedited version of the tape) "This guy looks like he's up to no good. Or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about." Though no one testified about it, the ME's report showed that Martin did have THC in his system.
There were additional things that were not testified to, but are factual anyway. Here's a few nuggets:
  • Martin purchased his candy and drink, and then took 40 minutes to make a 10 minute trip, in the rain (giving credence to Zimmerman's story that he "he's just walking around".
  • Martin's "not girlfriend" testified that he put up his hood on the way home because of the rain, but that wasn't the truth. He had his hood up when he bought his items in the store. One would have to wonder why the "enhanced" version of the truth. I suspect it's so the argument could be made that Zimmerman easily recognized he was black. "Following a black kid" sounds so much jucier than "following someone covering their head with a hoodie" - but I'll grant you it's just speculation on my part.
  • Martin's "not girlfriend" testified that he was almost at his father's girlfriend's house. When Martin confronted Zimmerman, he was about 70 yards from there, but only about 30 yard's from Zimmerman's truck (which lends credence to Zimmerman's story that he was on the way back to his truck)
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Re: 17y/o Killed By Neighborhood Watch/CHL

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Fangs wrote:
03Lightningrocks wrote:
Bullitt wrote:
RottenApple wrote:So why don't you actually find a law, in any state, where the mere act of following someone (w/o additional elements) is a crime. You made the assertion. Prove it.
You ridiculously found the law for me and even posted it! :smilelol5: I know, embarrassing for you, eh?
Maybe we all misunderstood. LITTLE TRAYTRAY was on his way to church. He was looking for someone to take with him. He was going to use his burglary tools to save some poor starving orphans who had been locked out of the small place they all slept every night. I bet TRAYTRAY was actually taking those drugs off the street, he was pictured with on FB, so other teens couldn't be harmed by them. The gold grille he wore in the picture was his retainer so that when he attended seminary school next year his teeth would all be straight. He was probably on his way to return the stolen jewelry his school found in his back pack.

It is ashame. The world has one less thug to worry about as he progresses up the ranks from common thug to cold blooded killer. :coolgleamA:
I think you're close there, but here's my understanding of the actual events according to MSNBC:

>8th grader Trayvon Martin is walking home with snacks for homeless children wearing his graduation cap and gown.
>Aryan Nation member George Zimmerman is patrolling the neighborhood in his confederate flag draped pickup truck.
>Zimmerman spots Trayvon through the dark, rainy night by the glow of his halo.
>The clansman gives chase, hopping the curb with the pedal to the metal.
>The football star nearly outruns his pursuer, but is trapped by a "Do Not Enter" sign.
>Faced with a choice between certain death or breaking the law, the little hero makes his stand.
>Trayvon attempts to reason with his attacker, but the illiterate racist will have none of it.
>Zimmerman steps out of his gas guzzler and asks, "Any final wishes?"
>Trayvon looks his executioner in the eye and replies, "World peace."
>"WHITE POWER!" Exclaims Zimmerman as he unloads with his fully-automatic assault rifle.
>If not for the Republican party, angel Trayvon might have survived, but the murderer's extended magazine, unfettered by reasonable legislation, feeds hundreds of rounds into the probable future Nobel Peace Prize recipient.
>Zimmerman then bashes his own head into the pavement repeatedly while screaming, "Help me! Help me!"
>When he's finished, Hitler himself steps back into his environment destroying vehicle.
>As Trayvon lays dying, the last thing he sees is the McCain/Palin 2012 bumper sticker disappearing into the night.

Yup, don't think I missed anything. :tiphat:

Yep... TRAYTRAY was a model student and a fine example to others. I bet he would have joined the peace corps if his life had not been ended so tragically. What a horrible loss! "rlol"
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Re: 17y/o Killed By Neighborhood Watch/CHL

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ScooterSissy wrote:
MeMelYup wrote:
ScooterSissy wrote:
Bullitt wrote:
ScooterSissy wrote:...Exactly which action of Zimmerman's were "unjustifited"? Zimmerman said...
Oh, did Zimmerman testify? My bad :smilelol5:
See if you can tell the difference between these two:

Zimmerman said
Zimmerman testified

No, Zimmerman did not testify. He did exactly what I claimed he did, he said he did not confront. Then the prosecution submitted that statement as evidence. There was no evidece that disputed that, but plenty that supported it.

But, I agree with you, it's "your bad". You keep making that claim, that he confronted, with absolutely nothing to back it up.
If you listen to what is being said, most people are quoting the news papers and magazines. Not what the trial transcripts indicate.
Yes indeed. There are so many things that people "know" that are just wrong...
  • No 911 dispatcher told Zimmerman to do anything. Zimmerman didn't call 911, he called the non-emergency number
  • The police dispatcher did not tell Zimmerman not to follow; he told Zimmerman "we don't need you to do that". Testimony in court indicated that the dispatchers tell callers that to avoid liability if something happened while following. (Side note here - my adult daughter was involved in a hit and run. She followed the girl that hit her and called 911. 911 told her the exact same words "we don't need you to do that". She did anyway. When the police were arresting the girl, they said "We're glad you were able to follow her.")
  • Martin did not buy tea, he bought a soft drink called Arizona Watermelon Fruit Juice Cocktail (Skittles and that drink are 2/3 of the ingredients needed for a drug cocktail called "Lean").
  • Zimmerman said to the dispatcher (in the unedited version of the tape) "This guy looks like he's up to no good. Or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about." Though no one testified about it, the ME's report showed that Martin did have THC in his system.
There were additional things that were not testified to, but are factual anyway. Here's a few nuggets:
  • Martin purchased his candy and drink, and then took 40 minutes to make a 10 minute trip, in the rain (giving credence to Zimmerman's story that he "he's just walking around".
  • Martin's "not girlfriend" testified that he put up his hood on the way home because of the rain, but that wasn't the truth. He had his hood up when he bought his items in the store. One would have to wonder why the "enhanced" version of the truth. I suspect it's so the argument could be made that Zimmerman easily recognized he was black. "Following a black kid" sounds so much jucier than "following someone covering their head with a hoodie" - but I'll grant you it's just speculation on my part.
  • Martin's "not girlfriend" testified that he was almost at his father's girlfriend's house. When Martin confronted Zimmerman, he was about 70 yards from there, but only about 30 yard's from Zimmerman's truck (which lends credence to Zimmerman's story that he was on the way back to his truck)

You make some good points ss. I have about figured out ole Bullet is a troll. Maybe it is time we hit the ignore button on him. He hasn't made a single post worth spit anyway.

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Charles L. Cotton wrote:
1. You continually ignore the fact that the only illegal act was committed by Martin when he assaulted Zimmerman. The evidence supports this and the jury had to believe that Zimmerman did not provoke the confrontation in order to find he engaged in lawful self-defense thus finding him not guilty.

2. In your item number 2 you claim Zimmerman was "wrong." What do you mean by "wrong" in this context? His actions certainly were not unlawful, so you must be applying your personal standard of conduct. If it's not your personal standard, then what do you mean by "wrong?"

3. Doing something unwise doesn't make you a "batman" as you falsely claim. By your theory, I would have been playing "batman" when I, on at least a half dozen occasions, have followed drunk drivers while reporting them to the police. Only two of those times occurred when I was a police officer (off duty). Don't tell me that's different from the Zimmerman/Martin matter. It isn't. I was following them because the dispatcher kept asking me for locations. At any time the drunk could have taken the offensive against me forcing me to defend myself, just as Martin attacked Zimmerman when he was on his way back to his vehicle.

4. Why you persist in using pejorative descriptions like "batman" when describing acts that are entirely lawful is beyond comprehension.

Chas.
1. I am not ignoring this fact. As “Billitt" stated, Zimmerman could have been committing harassment in the fact that based on an ear witness’s testimony Martin felt a creepy individual continued to follow him causing Martin to feel threaten. Martin would have to testify to Zimmerman’s actions to have harassment charges filed (But we will never get that statement). The lead detective during the interrogation specifically stated to Zimmerman that he believed Martin was terrified of Zimmerman based on his behavior. Regarding the confrontation, on Cooper’s exclusive interview with juror B37, she stated they only considered events from when the proven punch was thrown. Not who initiated the confrontation.

2. “Wrong” not unlawful. I clearly stated my personal view as well as many on this very thread have in other threads, and stated in the CHL course I took; “when carrying, avoid confrontations as best possible.” He had already taken the “right” course of action, reporting suspicious behavior. “Wrong” was when he departed the vehicle and went in the direction Martin, this alleged nefarious character, had disappeared. So I change my “wrong” comment to “imprudent”. In a court of law, that could translate to “negligent”. So much so, the homeowner’s association settled out of court.

3. Following someone that is committing an act that could immediately endanger others at a safe distance is a noble act. However, it could also be an imprudent one if the noble individual themselves create a negligible event (I won’t list all the possible scenarios). Some agencies require their officers while off duty to retain their lawful powers. Therefore, you were not playing Batman due to your lawful right in 2 of the 6 occasions. The other four are debatable.

4. After all the pejorative descriptions like “thug” referencing Martin, I am called out for using “batman” to describe a vigilante. That sir, is not beyond my comprehension. And ahead of the pile-on; it was not proven or was it prudent in a court of law to label Martin a thug, only that Zimmerman felt fear for his life or grave bodily damage to justify using deadly force.
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Bullitt wrote:
philip964 wrote:
wow.
As a CHL holder, I'm not so wowed by the video and the announcer falls into the same trap as the other media idiots. "Zimmerman, a white Hispanic." 'Fraid not. Zimmerman has a mother who is just about 100% Amer-Indian Peruvian, and his father is "white." That makes Zimmerman just like most Latinos, a mestizo. Just because the miscegenation is only one generation back, and the last name is German, that doesn't make him white. Why in this case is Zimmerman afforded "white" status? There are other comments in there that could have a truck driven through them.

Again, I agree with the verdict of NOT GUILTY. TM was probably not what we would consider a model character, no doubt. That's not sufficient to justify Zimmerman's actions. However, as far as the incident of the shooting goes, this will be an endless debate. The events for me are triggered when Zimmerman decides to get out of his car to Pursue & Confront, an irresponsible action for a CHL holder IMO. The kill site is not anywhere near a place where Zimmerman would need to be in order to get a street name or an approximate location, and he doesn't have to obey any dispatcher directives either.
And doesn't all of this racial classification that the press and others are using make obama a "white black"?
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