New Coalition Forms to Stop Concealed Carry in Illinois

[sjfcontrol]

The official press release issued by SA Ronald Dozier goes on to state:

"As the State’s Attorney, I have to make a choice. Do I continue to enforce laws that I believe to be unconstitutional, a belief that is supported by decisions of the highest court in the land, or do I continue to prosecute citizens who run afoul of State gun laws but have no evil intent or purpose in mind? . . . I’m not willing to do that anymore—too many good people will be harmed."

this came off of ; http://www.illinoiscarry.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Did anybody else notice that both sides of his "choice" result in continuing the status-quo?
Choice "A", continue to enforce unconstitutional laws...
or
Choice "B:, continue to prosecute citizens...

[jimlongley]

The official press release issued by SA Ronald Dozier goes on to state:

"As the State’s Attorney, I have to make a choice. Do I continue to enforce laws that I believe to be unconstitutional, a belief that is supported by decisions of the highest court in the land, or do I continue to prosecute citizens who run afoul of State gun laws but have no evil intent or purpose in mind? . . . I’m not willing to do that anymore—too many good people will be harmed."

this came off of ; http://www.illinoiscarry.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Did anybody else notice that both sides of his "choice" result in continuing the status-quo?
Choice "A", continue to enforce unconstitutional laws...
or
Choice "B:, continue to prosecute citizens...

I understand it a little differently I guess.

I see a statement that says he has in the past enforced laws that he believed to be unconstitutional, that now have been ruled as such, and he questions whether he would continue to do so, and as a collateral statement, that he is unwilling to do that (prosecute those who carry in defiance of IL's current law) any more.

Parsing it my way, it reads as permission for the law abiding citizens of IL to go ahead and carry now, now that they know that the law preventing them from carrying is unconstitutional, he is not willing to prosecute. I would assume that a FOID would still be necessary because the 7th did not rule the FOID law unconstitutional, just the law against concealed carry.

That said, I would also expect that those same law abiding citizens could expect to get a free ride in a fancy police car wearing a new set of silver bracelets if caught.

[barstoolguru]

There will be a fight, still, but there are a lot of pro-gun forces in Illinois. It really is a state held captive by a leftist Chicago mafia and a city full of utterly stupid voters. Unfortunately that model has now been transplanted to the national level. But there is a good chance for the 2A in Illinois now. The sound you hear coming from that "Stop Concealed Carry Coalition" is the sound of panic.

Sounds like the tables are changing but a lot of the anti-gun people seem to be coming from COOK County which is 40% of the population of the state and lots of income (Chicago)

Has Illinois Gov. Pat Quinn Accepted Defeat on Concealed Carry?

Today, the Gov.’s remarks seem to reflect a resignation to that inevitability.
In a statement, the Gov. said that he would work with the General Assembly on a concealed carry bill provided that the law includes “reasonable restrictions,” such as prohibiting the mentally ill from carrying concealed firearms (something that’s already illegal under federal law).

http://www.guns.com/2012/12/12/illinois ... led-carry/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Keith B]

There will be a fight, still, but there are a lot of pro-gun forces in Illinois. It really is a state held captive by a leftist Chicago mafia and a city full of utterly stupid voters. Unfortunately that model has now been transplanted to the national level. But there is a good chance for the 2A in Illinois now. The sound you hear coming from that "Stop Concealed Carry Coalition" is the sound of panic.

Sounds like the tables are changing but a lot of the anti-gun people seem to be coming from COOK County which is 40% of the population of the state and lots of income (Chicago)

Has Illinois Gov. Pat Quinn Accepted Defeat on Concealed Carry?

Today, the Gov.’s remarks seem to reflect a resignation to that inevitability.
In a statement, the Gov. said that he would work with the General Assembly on a concealed carry bill provided that the law includes “reasonable restrictions,” such as prohibiting the mentally ill from carrying concealed firearms (something that’s already illegal under federal law).

http://www.guns.com/2012/12/12/illinois ... led-carry/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Isn't that going to prohibit most Cook County politiicians from getting a license?

[jimlongley]

There will be a fight, still, but there are a lot of pro-gun forces in Illinois. It really is a state held captive by a leftist Chicago mafia and a city full of utterly stupid voters. Unfortunately that model has now been transplanted to the national level. But there is a good chance for the 2A in Illinois now. The sound you hear coming from that "Stop Concealed Carry Coalition" is the sound of panic.

Sounds like the tables are changing but a lot of the anti-gun people seem to be coming from COOK County which is 40% of the population of the state and lots of income (Chicago)

Has Illinois Gov. Pat Quinn Accepted Defeat on Concealed Carry?

Today, the Gov.’s remarks seem to reflect a resignation to that inevitability.
In a statement, the Gov. said that he would work with the General Assembly on a concealed carry bill provided that the law includes “reasonable restrictions,” such as prohibiting the mentally ill from carrying concealed firearms (something that’s already illegal under federal law).

http://www.guns.com/2012/12/12/illinois ... led-carry/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Isn't that going to prohibit most Cook County politiicians from getting a license?

Yeah, including a certain Cook County politician now residing elsewhere.

[barstoolguru]

Anti-Gun Illinois State Senator Gets Caught with Pistol at O’Hare

in 1995, Trotter voted “no” on narrowly-defeated legislation to allow Illinois residents to carry concealed firearms. Illinois is the only state in the nation where citizens have no concealed carry rights. Two years later, he voted “present” on a measure that ultimately passed both the Senate and the House that would have reduced the penalty for getting caught with a concealed firearm. That bill died through amendatory veto by then Gov. Jim Edgar

I guess it's OK for only senators to carry in Illinos, he chaims he was carrying it on his job as a security guard and forgot; and he is running for a senate seat

http://www.nssfblog.com/anti-gun-illino ... -at-ohare/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Keith B]

Anti-Gun Illinois State Senator Gets Caught with Pistol at O’Hare

in 1995, Trotter voted “no” on narrowly-defeated legislation to allow Illinois residents to carry concealed firearms. Illinois is the only state in the nation where citizens have no concealed carry rights. Two years later, he voted “present” on a measure that ultimately passed both the Senate and the House that would have reduced the penalty for getting caught with a concealed firearm. That bill died through amendatory veto by then Gov. Jim Edgar

I guess it's OK for only senators to carry in Illinos, he chaims he was carrying it on his job as a security guard and forgot; and he is running for a senate seat

http://www.nssfblog.com/anti-gun-illino ... -at-ohare/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This supports my theory on the mentally-ill politicians. Even if he was a security guard, what kind of sane person would carry a .25 caliber?

[barstoolguru]

So State Senator Trotter was trying to carry a handgun past TSA on his way to D.C.

and this guy is anti-gun, he voted against the gun bill when he was in office but went above the law and carried one

[baldeagle]

So State Senator Trotter was trying to carry a handgun past TSA on his way to D.C.

and this guy is anti-gun, he voted against the gun bill when he was in office but went above the law and carried one

This is not at all unusual. Many celebrities who are adamantly and vocally anti-gun have no problem hiring armed guards to protect them. They don't see it as hypocritical at all. They think they're special and deserve rights others can't have. Rosie O'Donnell is just one famous case. There are many more.

The reason celebrities and politicians get along so well is because both see themselves as a special, privileged class different from the average citizen.

[ELB]

By now, you’ve probably heard about Illinois State Senator Donne Trotter’s little run-in with the TSA at O’Hare on Wednesday. Seems the Democrat and state senate appropriations committee chairman he was trying to board a plane for D.C. when a .25 caliber gun and loaded magazine turned up in his bag (would you want to spend much time in D.C. unarmed?). Anyway, while having an announced candidate for Jesse Jackson Jr.’s now vacant US House seat caught in America’s most ungunfriendly city with, yes, a gun tickles our schadenfreude bone something fierce, Trotter’s not the string-up-the-gun-nuts kind of Illinois pol everyone assumes him to be . . .

how the heck did that get in there...... "doh"


http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/1 ... hypocrite/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If you read the rest of the linked article, you find this:

So now that he represents more than just the south side, Trotter actually voted against Governor Pat Quinn’s “amendatory veto” last week that would have created a new Prairie State assault weapons ban. And as our friend confirms, he’s indicated that if a concealed carry bill were to come up again for a vote, he’d support it.

The blog No Lawyers, Only Guns and Money points out the Facebook posting of one of the NRA lobbyists in Illinois, Todd Vandermyde. Go read his whole post, but it contains a couple interesting points:

...
Some want to point to the hypocritical nature of Trotter being “caught” with a firearm despite is past voting record. The Sun-Times even went back to 1995 to dredge up his opposition to a concealed carry bill. People change positions on issues over time. Is votes in the past don’t reflect the conversations we have had over the last two years. Just this past week, Senator Trotter joined with 48 of his colleagues to override the Governor’s veto of a bill to allow the mail order sale of ammunition by Illinois retailers to Illinois residents.

His new district runs from the South side of Chicago, to Kankakee, with changing boundaries, come changing constituents with different perspectives. Senator Trotter has maintained an open mind and we have always been able to talk. And we continue to do so.

Out of state groups who never spend any time working the halls of the Capitol would do well to learn the whole record rather than issue knee jerk press releases reveling in the misfortune of an otherwise law abiding gun owner. Minorities and women are the fastest growing demographic in new gun owners. Gun owners would do well to continue to reach out to this growing group, not drive them away by snotty press releases.

...

Donnie Trotter is a friend. But I know that but for the grace of God, in my haste on a trip someday, I could be sitting where he is today. And I would want the same opportunity not to have my life ruined because I made a mistake.

That’s why I will give Donnie Trotter and the flight attendant the benefit of the doubt and won’t pile on.

https://www.facebook.com/tvandermyde" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (you have to scroll down a bit to find the post).

[mgwerks]

There will be a fight, still, but there are a lot of pro-gun forces in Illinois. It really is a state held captive by a leftist Chicago mafia and a city full of utterly stupid voters. Unfortunately that model has now been transplanted to the national level. But there is a good chance for the 2A in Illinois now. The sound you hear coming from that "Stop Concealed Carry Coalition" is the sound of panic.

Sounds like the tables are changing but a lot of the anti-gun people seem to be coming from COOK County which is 40% of the population of the state and lots of income (Chicago)

Has Illinois Gov. Pat Quinn Accepted Defeat on Concealed Carry?

Today, the Gov.’s remarks seem to reflect a resignation to that inevitability.
In a statement, the Gov. said that he would work with the General Assembly on a concealed carry bill provided that the law includes “reasonable restrictions,” such as prohibiting the mentally ill from carrying concealed firearms (something that’s already illegal under federal law).

http://www.guns.com/2012/12/12/illinois ... led-carry/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Isn't that going to prohibit most Cook County politiicians from getting a license?

And the respective voters, for the most part.