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Lucky45 wrote:

BrassMonkey wrote: There has to be a one size fits all initial volley. ............ I am just trying to figure out how many rounds I should be able to accurately put downrange in 1-2 seconds and what areas on the body I should concentrate on.

From all the info given, i think it is clear that there is not a set pattern for your first volley in a deadly force scenario. If you draw your weapon, aim for COM and fire a shot which strikes his head and he falls to the ground. Then that is all you need to fire. Will this happen?? maybe or maybe not. But that is the answer, you will only know that number when it happens.

ok, thanks.

Thanks Roth,
Maybe I was not being very clear. I am trying to determine what to practice until it is automatic. There has to be a one size fits all initial volley. I understand positioning, other people, situation and the like. I am just trying to figure out how many rounds I should be able to accurately put downrange in 1-2 seconds and what areas on the body I should concentrate on.

I understand reassesment, I understand every situation is different. I think the best I have heard so far is 2 or 3 (my choice) COM

I agree on the render aid. IF I have gloves and a bag mask and all that with me.

stevie_d_64 wrote:I believe it also looks good when you are rendering first aid to one or more sucking chest wound(s) as all that attention rolls into the scene...

But thats just me...

And if a couple to the torso don't do it, I am going for the femoral artery. You hit the femoral in the upper pelvic region, they drop almost immediately and if they don't behave, they stop permenantly.

Kewl, I got it...

Hey Frankie,
If I ever have to make the decision, there will be no time for her to run. I do not threaten. I do not play games. I will also never draw unless absolutely necessary. I really don't want to neutralize another human being. A deer on the other hand... Man, someone needs to take me hunting. :-)

llwatson wrote:

BrassMonkey wrote: My Checklist:
1. Decision made
2. Hand on gun
3. Press and pull
4. Sight picture
5. Shoot
6. Repeat steps 4 and 5 X times

Help me fill in step 6

Joe :-)

You already have step 6. Step 1 should be "place bag on head".

Actually, I think you have a good, well thought, drill. But, under stress, I would bet it turns into "shoot, and keep shooting until threat is neutralized or magazine is empty, then reassess"

Oh no you didn't...

What I am trying to avoid is shoot til empty, 18 rounds into a bg would not look good, lol... Yes, I will land all 18. Just call me Wyatt Earp!!!

Thanks Kyle, I understand.

But what I am asking is there has to be some measure of autopilot here. Something that is muscle memory and second nature.

For example, when I am flying, if I lose an engine, I follow a checklist that is commited to memory, you do not think about it once you have identified that the engine is dead. In fact, military pilots and some commercial pilots practice what is called "switchology" They put a bag on their head and go thru their checklists and switches without looking. After the checklist is complete, if there is still a problem, THEN you think about other things to do/look at/respond to.

I guess I am trying to accomplish the same thing here. I am only talking about that initial series of bangs.

My Checklist:
1. Decision made
2. Hand on gun
3. Press and pull
4. Sight picture
5. Shoot
6. Repeat steps 4 and 5 X times

Help me fill in step 6

Joe :-)

Thanks txi, good to hear from ya! :-)

It sounds like 2 to COM would be a great place to start.

I'm not real big on head shots. Smaller target, messier, gives the appearance of, well, a different type of encounter, I can see the headlines now, Lots of uses of the words, "Assasination or Execution style shooting"...

You're right, perhaps it is now time for me to find a regular shooting partner since I have always been solo...

Hey all,
So let's assume the decision has been made to neutralize a human. Is there a best practice or "standard" number of rounds/placement for the initial neutralization attempt? IDPA seems to like Mozambiques, or 2 to COM and 1 to the head.

It's my presumption that once the decision has been made, one would be on autopilot for the initial volley, then reasses if they are not neutralized.

My question stems from wondering what I should be practicing for quick draw, speed rock, whatever you wanna call it.

One side of me says 1 shot and reasses so as not to go overboard, the other says 2 shots doubles my chances of accomplishing the task quickly lessening the time that innocents could be hit either by me or the target.

P.S. By "autopilot" i mean the actually trigger work, not the SA.

Thanks!

Your loyal Monkey...