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I have been a member of this community for a very short time. :oops: That being said, I've developed very strong feelings about 2A issues. Up until Jan 1, I felt like we were very cohesive group and knew what we wanted to accomplish. There was a definite feeling of apprehension in regard to some other groups because of their antics related to 2A issues, however, by and large, this community was very united. While I believe that we are still united, however I worry that this cohesiveness is being threatened by some of our feelings about the results of Open Carry being passed.

One definite thing that we can take from everything now is that there have been no issues related to open carry that I'm aware of so far. We're only a week and a half in, but still, no issues is something worth celebrating when those who were against it were clamouring about wild west shootouts. We knew that wouldn't be the case, and thus far it has been shown to not be the case.

Let me start out by saying that being someone who is a state employee, working on a campus of higher ed, I can say without a doubt that I know *exactly* how everyone feels who is being effected by 30.06 signs that are going up. (I am leaving 30.07 signs out on purpose because this type of restriction does not effect a licensed carriers ability to defend themselves if the need arises. 30.06 specifically does.) I've spent my entire professional life disarmed. Every day, on the way to work, on the way home, and if there are any errands that need to be ran in between, I am vulnerable if something horrible happens. I do not leave my weapon in my vehicle at work, as I believe this leaves it vulnerable to be lost in a vehicular burglary. (My choice, I am not preaching here.) So, I 100%, fully, completely, understand the frustration presented by HPB, Grapevine Mills Mall, etc, posting 30.06 signs. I also understand the frustration of a place of employment posting these signs.

I know everyone is frustrated, but I will not try to directly relate my frustration to the frustration of those who have been here working for decades. I applaud your work and patience, and I can't directly compare my feelings to yours simply because I am new to the game. That being said, I do believe that we need to begin taking all of these feelings and emotions and funnelling them into something productive. Arguing on the forum, for everyone -- including MDA, OCT, etc -- to see is not going to do a bit of good for our cause. I think it's safe to say that there's not any "Anti-OC" people on this forum -- there are simply those who prefer not to. I don't believe that *anyone* on this forum would campaign against any, and I mean *ANY*, legislation that would further 2A causes.

We need to begin campaigning for our cause -- shed light on the issue with truth, not raw emotion, half truths or lies, like some of the other groups for and against 2A causes do. We have just about a year until the 2017 legislative session starts, lets not fight with each other. We know that those Anti-2A groups actively campaign -- heck, unconfirmed rumour has it they might even put up 30.06 signs without owner's consent. So how could we campaign our cause? I know that everyone will talk to their boss or to employees of stores they frequent, and the one-on-one work is fantastic. By no means am I saying we should reduce that. How can we reach a broader audience? Not only should we try to interact with those businesses/churches/etc that are posting 30.06 signs, but we need to tell those businesses that are actively supporting the 2nd amendment that they have our support as well.

Could we put together a small website whose sole purpose was to get the facts about licensees and other facts about guns in Texas out in a form that's quick to digest (infographic style)? I am willing to beer bet that most of the signs going up are because people simply don't know the facts. I can scream all day in my office, on my Twitter, or on my Facebook about how ridiculously well behaved we are, but will the manager of the AMC hear me? What about the corporate office of HPB? I'm thinking something like http://americangunfacts.com/ that's specific to Texas. Short, sweet, visually appealing, and FACTUAL. (I just found this with a quick google on 'gun facts') This, coupled with the cards that TSRA has available would be easy to drop at businesses, and with a simple link, people reading the cards could get even more facts.

I know that CHLs United was a very short lived push last year, and it was suspended literally days before I could donate -- Can we bring that back to the table? Even if participation is low, it's something. I know there are those of us here who would support it. I would be willing to put my personal time in on this as well, as much as is allowed during a house remodel + full time job.

I know that everyone is extremely frustrated. I get it, I really do. I am not trying to discount any of that. I sincerely want us to be able to push for more rights in the legislature. I want us to be able to educate people who are just afraid of the piece of metal, and put little to no thought to the person who carries it. I strongly believe that we can accomplish both of these goals. I'm just throwing spaghetti at the wall and seeing what sticks with my ideas, they might all suck. But I do want to start the spark to think about how we can focus these feelings constructively, instead of arguing.

If you read all the way to here -- thanks. :txflag:
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Great post.

I'm in.
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I quite agree, there is definitely work to be done.
Our local paper for instance attempted to provide information for citizens, but what I saw was a total lack of providing information about WHO would be carrying open or concealed. Only some vague reference to "licensed firearms". I think they could have done us all a big favor and pointed out that the people carrying these firearms have gone to classes to educate themselves, shown they can fire their guns, and have passed a fingerprint and background check as well as paying a fee and waiting for their license, yeah they actually have a state issued license to carry that bit of steel around! Someone reading the paper would have to assume that any nut on the street could now carry his pistol around! In speaking to others, that seems to be the feelings of most, that ANYBODY that wants to can now open carry or concealed carry.
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I agree with much of your post, but the idea of peace between a very small but vocal radical faction will not be possible nor desirable. OCT is considered by elected officials in Austin to be poison. We must answer their lies, but you are correct about how to repair the false image OCT/Grisham has given LTCs, especially those few who will carry openly.

I am adding a "facts" section to TexasFirearmsCoalition.com, but I need people who are willing to research relevant topics and issues so we can counter anti-gun lies with facts. Also, CHLs United has been reborn as "Good Guys United," and it will be announced in the next week or so. There will be no donations accepted specific to that movement. The OCT image (fair or not) is "scary guys with rifles," but Good Guys United's image will be suit and tie. No, it's not limited to men nor will we always wear ties, but you get the idea.

In closing, you are correct that the Members of the Forum are very united in promoting Second Amendment rights in Texas. The very few you see supporting or serving as OCT/Grisham apologists are the exception, but they cannot destroy our unity.

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Charles,

I'm really calling for peace within our community. I fully realize that OCT has damaged our image with the legislature and the public. This is really why I want to see the bickering here come to a civil conclusion so we can focus on repairing the damage.

I'm very happy to hear that Good Guys United is coming around the bend. As to the facts section of Texas Firearms Coalition, how can we help!?

Thank you very much for your reply and your hard work on our cause!

Don,

You hit the nail on the head. There's so much misinformation, whether intentional or not, that it's not even funny. I've heard incorrect statements on the 10:00 news, and now I see that one local channel is going to have a week long series on the news about guns and the things you can buy online! (Shocking, they were looking at plate carriers on a computer to looked like)

Drjoker,

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My neighborhood FB page has been buzzing about crime recently, including both cold & hot burglaries. I offered to come around and tie-wrap the release latch on garage door openers for anyone who didn't have tie wraps on hand or didn't know how to do it.

This has given me the opportunity to meet a few new neighbors, and present a non-scary face of OC/2A.

We can also consider doing things like trash pickup - community service, same goal.
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I believe Students for Conceal Carry does as good a job as any when it comes to countering myths and misconceptions in a professional manner. I respect and admire how they handle themselves.

Here's a sample of their work.

http://concealedcampus.org/common-arguments/
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I'd like to see us ( I have neither the setup nor the looks ) do a short youtube video ( or a small series ? ) educating about LTC. Something like the most recent NRA video, where we can present some of these facts. Start out with something akin to the "You've lost my business due to 30.06" cards, adding more videos down the road as we establish more facts.
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loktite wrote:I'd like to see us ( I have neither the setup nor the looks ) do a short youtube video ( or a small series ? ) educating about LTC. Something like the most recent NRA video, where we can present some of these facts. Start out with something akin to the "You've lost my business due to 30.06" cards, adding more videos down the road as we establish more facts.
Videos are already in the making, but the theme will be showing why people/merchants have been duped by anti-gun groups. Obviously, anyone can do videos, but these will be part of the Texas Firearms Coalition and t he Good Guys United movement. If people do their own, please don't let the message be "you've lost my business." Again, we need to be statesmen!

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Nice. A most positive post/discussion thus far........
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I make it a point to watch the Colion Noir and Commentators videos regularly. This is why I think it would be great to have it Texas specific. Thanks for pointing it out for those that haven't seen them, mojo84
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Welcome. The challenge is getting the less like minded folks to watch and consider the facts. It's difficult to get them to listen with an open mind and allow logic and reason to override the emotionally driven narragive that has been driven into them.

The bottom line, it does little good for us to produce videos, podcasts and other material if we are the only ones that will see it. We must expose the anti gun gun crowd to well thought out reasoned material that is irrefutable in a nonthreatening professional way.

Easier said than done but it can be done.
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Chas. wrote:
Videos are already in the making, but the theme will be showing why people/merchants have been duped by anti-gun groups. Obviously, anyone can do videos, but these will be part of the Texas Firearms Coalition and t he Good Guys United movement.
Excellent. I strongly believe a continuing campaign to educate the public...will be the most beneficial thing we can do.
If people do their own, please don't let the message be "you've lost my business." Again, we need to be statesmen!
Agreed. The whole "you've lost my business" thing is a non-starter for most Merchants. We simply don't represent a large enough percentage of their revenues for that to be a swaying factor. Too, it comes across as either 'sour grapes' or a 'threat' (inconsequential at that). Now, is not the time for that.

IMO, we need to remind the public that WE are THEM. We have been carrying among them for 20 years now. We are your friends, neighbors, co-workers, firemen, police, doctors, clergy, white and blue collar workers,husbands, wives, sons and daughters. LAW ABIDING citizens that collectively make up the fabric of our society.

The only thing that 'changed' on January 1st 2016....is that we now find ourselves excluded. Anyone....would want to know why?



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