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Looks like others have you headed in the right direction. Welcome to the forum. And to Tejas. One more bit of common advice to newbs here. Don't buy bbq sandwiches from any place that also sells minnows. :mrgreen:
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Keith B wrote:
Morbidrealities wrote:
ScottDLS wrote:
RoyGBiv wrote:CAUTION.

If your CT permit is a RESIDENT permit, it is not valid in TX and you cannot carry here.

Does not matter if CT says your resident permit is valid until renewal. If it is a resident permit and you are not a resident, it's not valid in TX.

This is my OPINION, not legal advice.
Where does the law say this?

I'm pretty sure that if the gentleman is no longer a resident of CT then he is disqualified. The address on his permit is no longer valid. He may have the change of address window we are allowed here, but he will need to take his class and apply ASAP.
Connecticut issues non-resident licenses. It is possible that the license is not address specific and automatically converts to a non=resident when he moves out of state. If not automatic, it is possible to just change the address and it stays valid. Texas is this way.
I have a CT license. It has my Texas address, but no other indication that it is a non-resident license. Unless the issuing state says it's invalid when you leave, then it's fine. Just file a change of address with CT. I already renewed mine twice since I got it in 2006.
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According to what I can find, the op only had 2 business days to notify CT of his change of address or he is in violation (which would likely invalidate his CT permit).

http://www.ct-permit.com/ctstate.php
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Morbidrealities wrote:
ScottDLS wrote:
RoyGBiv wrote:CAUTION.

If your CT permit is a RESIDENT permit, it is not valid in TX and you cannot carry here.

Does not matter if CT says your resident permit is valid until renewal. If it is a resident permit and you are not a resident, it's not valid in TX.

This is my OPINION, not legal advice.
Where does the law say this?

I'm pretty sure that if the gentleman is no longer a resident of CT then he is disqualified. The address on his permit is no longer valid. He may have the change of address window we are allowed here, but he will need to take his class and apply ASAP.
Been on my tablet all weekend.... too hard to reply in detail.. Sorry.

A friend moved here from WA last year. He had a WA resident license. He did not change to a WA non-resident license before he moved, because he didn't have time. Bought a house here and moved a week later. Never did the WA paperwork.

He called and wrote to DPS and finally got a firm reply that since he held a RESIDENT license from WA but was no longer a resident of the issuing State, that he would likely be arrested if caught carrying on that license in TX, because TX considered that license not-valid once he was no longer a resident of WA. WA told him that they considered the license valid until it expired, but TX told him he would be arrested.

I would agree that if he had changed the license to a WA non-resident, TX would honor it. But, he was told very clearly that a WA resident license would not be honored in TX if he was no longer a resident of WA.

..... I am not a lawyer. This is not legal advice, just relating a third parties experience with a similar issue.
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This appears to be bad information from DPS...OR a result of WA making a distinction between resident/non-resident licenses and the validity thereof. There is no support for such a statement in the law. If the state of issue still recognizes the the license as valid, then it should be accepted in Texas.
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Scott raises an interesting point. Do our statutes and/or reciprocity agreements stipulate that the other state label their licenses as resident or non-resident? If we don't have labeling requirements, what is our (State of TX) beef with his WA license? All we would care about is that he met the requirements in that state for that state to authorize him to carry. But, a person better be certain that they can get it in writing that WA still finds their license to be valid after moving out of state.

Even with WA state's validation this may be a beat the rap, take the ride anyway situation.
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ScottDLS wrote:This appears to be bad information from DPS...OR a result of WA making a distinction between resident/non-resident licenses and the validity thereof. There is no support for such a statement in the law. If the state of issue still recognizes the the license as valid, then it should be accepted in Texas.
I can see the argument that a resident license implies residency.
I could argue (perhaps stretching it a bit) that proffering a WA resident license with a TX DL is fraudulent.

I didn't want the OP to run into a felony-level problem without considering this potential gotcha.

Would be worth rechecking with DPS and getting the answer in writing, IMO.
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Welcome to Texas..
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I also found this:

Should I notify the Department of Public Safety if I move to a new address?

Yes. You are required to notify the issuing authority within two business days. Failure to do so can result in a felony prosecution and conviction, $500 fine, three years imprisonment, and forfeiture of any pistols or revolvers in your possession. The notification shall include the old address and new address.

You may contact SLFU at (860) 685-8290 to update your address. A change of address may also be filed via E-mail at Special Licensing and Firearms Unit or by mailing a letter to: Department of Emergency Services and Public Protection, Division of State Police, Special Licensing and Firearms Unit, 1111 Country Club Road, Middletown, CT, 06457. Include your name, permit number, old address and new address.

Source: http://ctcarry.com/FAQ/Index/Pistol%20P ... plications
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Bryanmc wrote:I also found this:

Should I notify the Department of Public Safety if I move to a new address?

Yes. You are required to notify the issuing authority within two business days. Failure to do so can result in a felony prosecution and conviction, $500 fine, three years imprisonment, and forfeiture of any pistols or revolvers in your possession. The notification shall include the old address and new address.

You may contact SLFU at (860) 685-8290 to update your address. A change of address may also be filed via E-mail at Special Licensing and Firearms Unit or by mailing a letter to: Department of Emergency Services and Public Protection, Division of State Police, Special Licensing and Firearms Unit, 1111 Country Club Road, Middletown, CT, 06457. Include your name, permit number, old address and new address.

Source: http://ctcarry.com/FAQ/Index/Pistol%20P ... plications
By all mean OP should do this, however the felony prosecution argument is moot if you move out of CT. Are they going to come to Texas and confiscate his pistols and revolvers...? :evil2:
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Welcome to Texas and the forum! Having just moved here myself a couple of months ago I consider this forum an invaluable resource of information and encouragement. I have already completed the LTC requirements and looks like mine will be in the mail soon.
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ScottDLS wrote:
Bryanmc wrote:I also found this:

Should I notify the Department of Public Safety if I move to a new address?

Yes. You are required to notify the issuing authority within two business days. Failure to do so can result in a felony prosecution and conviction, $500 fine, three years imprisonment, and forfeiture of any pistols or revolvers in your possession. The notification shall include the old address and new address.

You may contact SLFU at (860) 685-8290 to update your address. A change of address may also be filed via E-mail at Special Licensing and Firearms Unit or by mailing a letter to: Department of Emergency Services and Public Protection, Division of State Police, Special Licensing and Firearms Unit, 1111 Country Club Road, Middletown, CT, 06457. Include your name, permit number, old address and new address.

Source: http://ctcarry.com/FAQ/Index/Pistol%20P ... plications
By all mean OP should do this, however the felony prosecution argument is moot if you move out of CT. Are they going to come to Texas and confiscate his pistols and revolvers...? :evil2:
I didn't write it Scott, I just posted it :lol: In lieu of all that, they could just cancel his permit which would leave him needing to get a Texas LTC which is the all around best option anyway. If they really wanted to be butts about it, I suppose they could file on it and issue a warrant, which would really shaft him.
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Bryanmc wrote:
ScottDLS wrote:
Bryanmc wrote:I also found this:

Should I notify the Department of Public Safety if I move to a new address?

Yes. You are required to notify the issuing authority within two business days. Failure to do so can result in a felony prosecution and conviction, $500 fine, three years imprisonment, and forfeiture of any pistols or revolvers in your possession. The notification shall include the old address and new address.

You may contact SLFU at (860) 685-8290 to update your address. A change of address may also be filed via E-mail at Special Licensing and Firearms Unit or by mailing a letter to: Department of Emergency Services and Public Protection, Division of State Police, Special Licensing and Firearms Unit, 1111 Country Club Road, Middletown, CT, 06457. Include your name, permit number, old address and new address.

Source: http://ctcarry.com/FAQ/Index/Pistol%20P ... plications
By all mean OP should do this, however the felony prosecution argument is moot if you move out of CT. Are they going to come to Texas and confiscate his pistols and revolvers...? :evil2:
I didn't write it Scott, I just posted it :lol: In lieu of all that, they could just cancel his permit which would leave him needing to get a Texas LTC which is the all around best option anyway. If they really wanted to be butts about it, I suppose they could file on it and issue a warrant, which would really shaft him.
I'm betting the felony charges are going to be limited to having a pistol/revolver in CT, without a valid license (fail to notify in 2 days). On the other hand, I really need to make sure I tell them if I move in TX because I have a CT license!!! I don't want them swearing out a warrant on me... :shock:
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ScottDLS wrote: On the other hand, I really need to make sure I tell them if I move in TX because I have a CT license!!! I don't want them swearing out a warrant on me... :shock:
You have to admit, it wouldn't be the strangest thing to ever happen in that part of the country... :cheers2:
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