Confused by campus carry

[N2rock]

Later this week I am driving my daughter up to West Texas A&M, and helping move her into her dorm. WTAMU seems to be OK with campus carry: http://www.wtamu.edu/home/campus-concealed-carry.aspx

The confusing part to me is whether I am able to CC while moving my daughter into the dorm. According to the link above
Will guns be allowed in residence halls?
Since those obtaining a concealed carry license generally must be 21, the great majority of WTAMU residential students will not be able to conceal carry. The law allows the university to establish rules, regulations or other provisions concerning the storage of handguns in residential facilities. The university has established a policy for safe storage of handguns in residential facilities. Lockers in compliance with the rule will be available for rental through the Office of Residential Living.

It addresses the storage of guns in residential areas. But I'm just going to be there briefly moving stuff from the car to her room, and probably helping her organize her room for a bit. So I'm not needing any sort of storage - in fact I have a lockbox in the car for that purpose.

What do y'all think? Am I ok to CC while helping her move in? Or should I just go ahead and lock it up in the car?

[Bruin98]

I would say yes provided the building isnt posted when you get there.

[Jusme]

I would say yes provided the building isnt posted when you get there.

This.

[N2rock]

I would say yes provided the building isnt posted when you get there.

That's kinda what I was thinking. Thanks

[TexasJohnBoy]

They must post 30.06 to be valid and keep it out as others have said. I think most schools have stated that carry by parents and visitors is OK in dorms, they just get weird about the storage like you've found. I agree with everyone else here that you should be good to go, just look out for those 30.06 signs.

Note - I'm not a lawyer

[ELB]

I read the actual rule at the link and saw no prohibition against CC in residence halls. The on!y reference is to storing handguns by residents. I believe the attorney general has a!ready legally opined that universities may not ban carry in dorms, only regulate storage per the law. Some universities were violating this, but TAMU from the beginning has stepped out and faithfully executed the law as written. Gig'em Aggies!

I was interested to note that the rule also states that NO employee has "apparent authority to act for the owner"' that only the president can act as " the owner" and designate temporary 30.06 postings. This also is in accord with AG's opinion that the law places sole authority for making carry rules in the president. Not professors, for example.

[The Annoyed Man]

West TAMU's carry rules are here: http://www.wtamu.edu/campus-concealed-carry-rule.aspx

Rule #2 says:

A handgun license holder, under Chapter 411, Texas Government Code, may carry a concealed handgun on or about the license holder's person while the license holder is on the campus of West Texas A&M University or in a West Texas A&M University vehicle, unless prohibited by state or federal law or this rule. The open carrying of a handgun on campus is prohibited. Licensed peace officers are authorized by law to carry firearms at all times.

This means that YOU are able to carry on campus also, even though you are not a student.

Regarding storage of the firearm for you daughter if she obtains her LTC, Rule #4 says:

4 STORAGE OF HANDGUNS IN RESIDENTIAL FACILITIES

• 4.1 This section applies to dormitories or other residential facilities located on campus that are: (1) owned and operated by West Texas A&M University or (2) leased and operated by West Texas A&M University.
  4.2 Any resident of campus housing who is a handgun license holder and wants to store a handgun in his/her room must store it in a safe that is rented from and installed by the Department of Residential Living or store it in a safe manufactured for the purpose of storing a handgun, and properly installed. Residential Living must approve the selection and installation of the safe.

Rule #5 covers where you may NOT carry on campus:

5.3 Other Prohibited Campus Premises – A license holder is also prohibited from carrying a concealed handgun on the following campus premises:

• 5.3.1 Kids Kollege childcare facility, located within the Virgil Henson Activities Center,
  5.3.2 the pool in the Virgil Henson Activities Center,
  5.3.3 the Panhandle Plains Historical Museum,
  5.3.4 facilities used for intercollegiate or interscholastic competitions, one hour prior to and one hour following the competition. Facilities include but may not be limited to the following:
  5.3.4.1 First United Bank Center
  5.3.4.2 West Texas A&M University Fieldhouse, “The Box”
  5.3.4.3 Kimbrough Memorial Stadium
  5.3.4.4 West Texas A&M University rodeo arena
  5.3.4.5 Wilder Baseball Field
  5.3.4.6 Schaeffer Softball Park
  5.3.4.7 “The Pitch” West Texas A&M University Track and Field/Soccer Complex.
  5.3.5 any premises where the university, as determined or approved by the president as necessary for campus safety, gives effective notice on a temporary basis pursuant to Section 30.06, Penal Code. For this rule, the term “owner of the property” in Section 30.06(b), Penal Code, means the president of the university. No university employee is “someone with apparent authority to act for the owner” for purposes of Section 30.06(b), Penal Code. All notices under Section 30.06, Penal Code, will be institutional notice, conform to Sections 46.03 and 46.035, Penal Code, and apply equally to all handgun license holders; and 5.3.6 any premises on campus leased by the university to a third party, if the third party determines to prohibit the concealed carry of handguns on the premises and provides effective notice pursuant to Section 30.06, PenalCode.

5.4 At all premises where concealed carry is prohibited, West Texas A&M University must give effective notice under Section 30.06, Penal Code.

[thetexan]

As of Aug 1, institutions of higher education campi join the rest of the Texas universe where prohibition requires 30.06 notification. So traversing a campus is like traversing any other location...there is either a 30.06 notification or there is not. And that includes any location including dorms. In fact school presidents are under a stricter burden when deciding whether to post a 30.06 notification in that their established rules of prohibition must be "reasonable" whereas a owner of a private business need not meet any reasonableness test when deciding whether or not to post a 30.06 OR 30.07 notification.

So fear not when CCing on campus where there is no 30.06 notification conspicuously posted clearly visible to the public, unless, for some reason, the location on campus is somehow otherwise restricted by State or Federal statute.

tex

[N2rock]

Thanks All.

I did in fact carry while there. And I never saw a single 30.06 sign in any of the buildings I went to. My daughter took me on a bit of a tour of the campus. It was a complete non-issue.