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That is something I have been thinking about as well. I really prefer my gas guns over my bolt guns and I was wondering what it would take to build a 1000 yard plus AR...PBratton wrote:Got the bug to build another rifle.
I have a .308 upper and lower assembly laying on the bench now. I already have an AR in .308, so I was thinking about a 6.5 Creedmoor for this one.
I was looking for some pluses and minuses for this configuration and maybe any viable alternatives.
Lets have it folks, I'm all ears.
There are videos on youtube that show AR15s hitting metal plates at 1000 yds ( they list components also ). However, if you want a consistent 10 ring 1000 yd rifle.....stick with a bolt gun.Bitter Clinger wrote:That is something I have been thinking about as well. I really prefer my gas guns over my bolt guns and I was wondering what it would take to build a 1000 yard plus AR...PBratton wrote:Got the bug to build another rifle.
I have a .308 upper and lower assembly laying on the bench now. I already have an AR in .308, so I was thinking about a 6.5 Creedmoor for this one.
I was looking for some pluses and minuses for this configuration and maybe any viable alternatives.
Lets have it folks, I'm all ears.
Well, I have rung steel consistently at 600 yards with my Colt (20" bbl, 1/9 twist) using anywhere from 55 gr. to 68 gr. match grade JHP and I have rung steel at 800 yards consistently with my S&W AR-10 (18" bbl, 1/10 twist) using 168-175 gr. match grade JHP. YMMV but I really prefer the gas guns and the issue, as we have discussed in prior threads, is where does the round enter transonic and become unstable? The 6.5 Creedmoor has the better ballistic coefficient and will remain stable for a greater distance. I have a 24" Ruger Precision in 6.5, I would trade it in a NY minute for an AR. I have a Remington 700 SPS tactical in .308 with the 20" threaded bbl, make me an offer and I will throw in the Explore Optics 6-24X SFP scope - the Remington is a consistent 800 yard - and not more - shooter.WTR wrote:There are videos on youtube that show AR15s hitting metal plates at 1000 yds ( they list components also ). However, if you want a consistent 10 ring 1000 yd rifle.....stick with a bolt gun.Bitter Clinger wrote:That is something I have been thinking about as well. I really prefer my gas guns over my bolt guns and I was wondering what it would take to build a 1000 yard plus AR...PBratton wrote:Got the bug to build another rifle.
I have a .308 upper and lower assembly laying on the bench now. I already have an AR in .308, so I was thinking about a 6.5 Creedmoor for this one.
I was looking for some pluses and minuses for this configuration and maybe any viable alternatives.
Lets have it folks, I'm all ears.
I guess it depends on whether you are looking for a battle rife or a quality long range rifle. Personally I don't need more than 2"-3" MOA at 100 meters for a battle rifle, my bolt gun better provide 1/4"-1/2" MOA at 100 meters.Bitter Clinger wrote:Well, I have rung steel consistently at 600 yards with my Colt (20" bbl, 1/9 twist) using anywhere from 55 gr. to 68 gr. match grade JHP and I have rung steel at 800 yards consistently with my S&W AR-10 (18" bbl, 1/10 twist) using 168-175 gr. match grade JHP. YMMV but I really prefer the gas guns and the issue, as we have discussed in prior threads, is where does the round enter transonic and become unstable? The 6.5 Creedmoor has the better ballistic coefficient and will remain stable for a greater distance. I have a 24" Ruger Precision in 6.5, I would trade it in a NY minute for an AR. I have a Remington 700 SPS tactical in .308 with the 20" threaded bbl, make me an offer and I will throw in the Explore Optics 6-24X SFP scope - the Remington is a consistent 800 yard - and not more - shooter.WTR wrote:There are videos on youtube that show AR15s hitting metal plates at 1000 yds ( they list components also ). However, if you want a consistent 10 ring 1000 yd rifle.....stick with a bolt gun.Bitter Clinger wrote:That is something I have been thinking about as well. I really prefer my gas guns over my bolt guns and I was wondering what it would take to build a 1000 yard plus AR...PBratton wrote:Got the bug to build another rifle.
I have a .308 upper and lower assembly laying on the bench now. I already have an AR in .308, so I was thinking about a 6.5 Creedmoor for this one.
I was looking for some pluses and minuses for this configuration and maybe any viable alternatives.
Lets have it folks, I'm all ears.
Beiruty turned me on to the Bushnell Elite Tactical XRS line:PBratton wrote:I am starting to consider scopes not for this build.
I know this will be one of those everyone has there own preference questions, but here goes:
Looking toward the Nikon Monarch 7 line scope line, thoughts? Alternatives?
maverick2076 wrote:I really like the Vortex Viper PST line.
Those are both good lines, and I have one example of the Bushnell Elite Tactical line, and two of the Viper PST line. Another line I would take a good hard look at is SWFA's "Super Sniper" house brand, this one in particular: SWFA SS HD 5-20x50 Tactical 30mm Riflescope. The price is $1,499.95, which makes it a comparative bargain in the class that it competes in.KC5AV wrote:Speaking of Bushnell, I just bought the Elite Tactical 6-24x50 with the G2 reticle and first focal plane, and love it.
Actually, its also about the distance. 308 goes transonic at 800-900, 6.5CM pushes that distance out beyond 1200...and at those distances MOA accuracy does not have as much impact on hit percentage as ability to make good wind calls, accurate ranging, and the BC of the bullet. Today's AR's, for this application, would be almost indistinguishable in accuracy from a bolt gun but long distance shooters seem to prefer bolt guns because they are mechanically simpler (and therefore thought to be more reliable) and the recoil movement of the semi-auto bolt makes it more difficult to see your hit - which is important.WTR wrote:I guess it depends on whether you are looking for a battle rife or a quality long range rifle. Personally I don't need more than 2"-3" MOA at 100 meters for a battle rifle, my bolt gun better provide 1/4"-1/2" MOA at 100 meters.Bitter Clinger wrote:Well, I have rung steel consistently at 600 yards with my Colt (20" bbl, 1/9 twist) using anywhere from 55 gr. to 68 gr. match grade JHP and I have rung steel at 800 yards consistently with my S&W AR-10 (18" bbl, 1/10 twist) using 168-175 gr. match grade JHP. YMMV but I really prefer the gas guns and the issue, as we have discussed in prior threads, is where does the round enter transonic and become unstable? The 6.5 Creedmoor has the better ballistic coefficient and will remain stable for a greater distance. I have a 24" Ruger Precision in 6.5, I would trade it in a NY minute for an AR. I have a Remington 700 SPS tactical in .308 with the 20" threaded bbl, make me an offer and I will throw in the Explore Optics 6-24X SFP scope - the Remington is a consistent 800 yard - and not more - shooter.WTR wrote:There are videos on youtube that show AR15s hitting metal plates at 1000 yds ( they list components also ). However, if you want a consistent 10 ring 1000 yd rifle.....stick with a bolt gun.Bitter Clinger wrote:That is something I have been thinking about as well. I really prefer my gas guns over my bolt guns and I was wondering what it would take to build a 1000 yard plus AR...PBratton wrote:Got the bug to build another rifle.
I have a .308 upper and lower assembly laying on the bench now. I already have an AR in .308, so I was thinking about a 6.5 Creedmoor for this one.
I was looking for some pluses and minuses for this configuration and maybe any viable alternatives.
Lets have it folks, I'm all ears.
