dhoobler wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2019 2:13 pm Someone should explain to him the difference between "mute" and "moot".


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dhoobler wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2019 2:13 pm Someone should explain to him the difference between "mute" and "moot".
Maybe if the criminals that were visiting the court for violating the law would have had signs informing them of the law they were violating, they wouldn't have to be going to the court in the first place.Jusme wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2019 2:12 pm Those signs prevent criminals from carrying guns into the court rooms? Must be some pretty amazing signs!! I need to find out where they purchased them then I could prevent all crime with magic signs!!
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Good luck OP, sounds like the mayor has anger, and maturity issues. What he doesn't realize, is that if the entire building is for court rooms, or court business, then he is in compliance. There is no need to get so angry, unless he is afraid they will make him move signs and just put them on the court room doors.
Still want to know how those signs stop criminals though.![]()
Welcome to the forum!
Yes! Welcome to the forum. Take some time to look through some of the topics, regarding 30.06 and 30.07 signage, rules for posting said signage on publicly owned buildings, and the thought processes behind posting signs that only carry the weight of law for LTC holders. No one here wants to denigrate your or your city, but, we are very cognizant, of the laws, and how some places, erroneously place signs, out of fear, or a misunderstanding of what those signs mean.
Jusme wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2019 5:20 pmYes! Welcome to the forum. Take some time to look through some of the topics, regarding 30.06 and 30.07 signage, rules for posting said signage on publicly owned buildings, and the thought processes behind posting signs that only carry the weight of law for LTC holders. No one here wants to denigrate your or your city, but, we are very cognizant, of the laws, and how some places, erroneously place signs, out of fear, or a misunderstanding of what those signs mean.
We are ready, willing, and able to discuss, any issues, and we even welcome those with differing viewpoints.
Mr. David Turner:
Mr. Turner,mrdavidturner wrote: Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:44 am
I would hope to observe and learn a little more about why the contact was made in such a confrontational manner initially. I do understand that the rights of gun owners have been challenged and some city halls are placing signs in the manner as ours without regard to the AG opinion as well as the TSC and other court rulings on extraneous offices not being covered by 30.06/.07 signage.
I understand what you are saying about the location of the clerk's office and the doorway. This would be a valid answer except for one principle contained in the Attorney General's opinion and the law in general. You cannot use the excuse of the office by the door to make the building off limits, which is the effect you are supporting. If there are offices in the building that are not the court's, people with a license must be allowed to go to those offices. I am not sure how to solve this problem for you since I have not been to your city, but I would first suggest rearranging offices so the non-court offices are by the door and then you can post the whole area around the court and it's offices. This may not be feasible, but the suggestion may help come up with other ideas that would work.I agree in part with what you are saying here, but please understand, if a person that is NOT an officer of the court is in possession of a weapon while in the court, the bailiff can readily identify that person as being in violation, therefore protecting all participants involved. Additionally, as stated by you, signs outside the actual court rooms and court offices are covered by statute. If you look closely at the photograph taken of the “bad city hall” posted on the forum, you will see through the double glass doors there is a service window. That window IS the office of the clerk collecting the fees and fines from the court. Also, through those glass doors, is the room where the judge holds his court. The building is small. It is not separated by long hallways, or multiple rooms divided into sections like the “good city hall”, I wish it were the case. Maybe one day, when the town grows, we can have a larger municipal building that can hold a more efficient body of offices serving the community with a separation allowing for avoidance of issues such as this. I have spoken to the judge, and he has invited you or someone from your group to come and see first hand the proximity of the court staff to the front entrance. Not as a challenge, not a debate, observation.