concealed, yes no?

GrillKing · Post by **GrillKing** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 11:42 am

IMHO, no.....

Kalrog · Post by **Kalrog** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 11:44 am

Legally - with you standing just like that - I say yes. That COULD be a cell phone case, I see nothing to indicate it is a firearm.

Now as soon as you raise your arm, I bet my opinion would change to "not concealed". Either way, that is too close for my comfort and I wouldn't advise it.

GrillKing · Post by **GrillKing** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 11:47 am

Kalrog wrote:Legally - with you standing just like that - I say yes. That COULD be a cell phone case, I see nothing to indicate it is a firearm.

Now as soon as you raise your arm, I bet my opinion would change to "not concealed". Either way, that is too close for my comfort and I wouldn't advise it.

Agree, the firearm isn't visible, but the cant of the holster indicates, to me, a gun, not a PDA or cell phone. I agree it's close, but I tend to 'not concealed'.

I wouldn't venture out with it....

Wildscar · Post by **Wildscar** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 11:48 am

Kalrog wrote:Legally - with you standing just like that - I say yes. That COULD be a cell phone case, I see nothing to indicate it is a firearm.

Now as soon as you raise your arm, I bet my opinion would change to "not concealed". Either way, that is too close for my comfort and I wouldn't advise it.

Renegade · Post by **Renegade** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 12:04 pm

Â§ 411.171. DEFINITIONS. In this subchapter:

3) "Concealed handgun" means a handgun, the presence
of which is not openly discernible to the ordinary observation of a
reasonable person.

That meets the definition of the law IMO.

txinvestigator · Post by **txinvestigator** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 12:12 pm

in that picture, of course it is.

striker55 · Post by **striker55** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 12:14 pm

Thats what I thought, borderline. New to CHL so wanted opinions. I've read the other posts about printing but pictures are worth a thousand words. thanks guys

DoubleActionCHL · Post by **DoubleActionCHL** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 12:24 pm

If you have to ask, it's probably not concealed.

While it is technically concealed, I believe you're asking for trouble.

seamusTX · Post by **seamusTX** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 12:53 pm

Could someone with expertise say what constitutes reasonable suspicion for a Terry search?

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/intel/m013006.pdf

- Jim

KBCraig · Post by **KBCraig** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 1:09 pm

As you stand right then, at the moment the picture was made, it was concealed. Now get in your car, drive across town, get out, bend down to pick up something you dropped, go in the store, reach for something on the top shelf...

It's not just whether it's concealed at any given moment, it's whether it stays concealed through a range of normal activity.

Snake Doctor · Post by **Snake Doctor** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 2:17 pm

KBCraig wrote:reach for something on the top shelf...

Ha... try scratching your head. You won't even make it that far without flashing.

Wildscar · Post by **Wildscar** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 2:29 pm

One more thing. If thats how you wish to dress you might try a IWB holster. If you had one like that I would bet that it would conceal even when you tried to reach for something on the top shelf.

striker55 · Post by **striker55** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 3:00 pm

Wildscar wrote:One more thing. If thats how you wish to dress you might try a IWB holster. If you had one like that I would bet that it would conceal even when you tried to reach for something on the top shelf.

I tried IWB but pants are too tight.

txinvestigator · Post by **txinvestigator** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 3:02 pm

KBCraig wrote:As you stand right then, at the moment the picture was made, it was concealed. Now get in your car, drive across town, get out, bend down to pick up something you dropped, go in the store, reach for something on the top shelf...

It's not just whether it's concealed at any given moment, it's whether it stays concealed through a range of normal activity.

Well.........its actually that you don't INTENTIONALLY fail to conceal it. ;)