Small of back carry Q:

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iratollah wrote:
YellowTJ wrote: which way should the handle go?
The handle should be positioned so that your palm is facing your body when you draw. This should prevent sweeping your kidney with the muzzle. It feels more comfortable and natural to have the grip turned so that you slide your hand between the gun and your back, this results in an unsafe draw.

Neither method (palm facing or palm away) should present a problem with "sweeping yourself".

I am amazed in this day and age that folks still have not figured this out (no offense). From either position...as soon as your weapon clears the holster... the muzzle goes vertical (pointing at ground), then you simply "trace" the outline of your body until it meets your "mid-line" where you can safely execute the rest of your presentation.

Those with limited mobility (or rotator cuff issues) will want to reach for the weapon palm out.
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I suspect SOB requires ALOT more practice to do properly. To get your muscle memory in line. I imagine if you didn't practice alot in a tense situation your more likely to sweep your kidneys.
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TexasComputerDude wrote:I suspect SOB requires ALOT more practice to do properly. To get your muscle memory in line. I imagine if you didn't practice alot in a tense situation your more likely to sweep your kidneys.
I don't think it would be any harder than a shoulder holster. Maybe easier for not sweeping bystanders.
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TexasComputerDude wrote:I suspect SOB requires ALOT more practice to do properly. To get your muscle memory in line. I imagine if you didn't practice alot in a tense situation your more likely to sweep your kidneys.

Not really. If you think about it... it's hard to imagine that anyone would choose to present their weapon "horizontally" from an SOB or 5+ O'Clock position.

To do so would not only cause you to cover yourself...but bio-mechanically speaking it is a very weak and awkward draw stroke. The elbow must protrude a great distance from the body (provided space allows), unless you bend your wrist to shorten the draw stroke (further weakening the presentation).

I can think of no good reason to do it that way...or why anyone would think it is a "natural" movement that would surface under pressure. Yes, some amount of "proper practice" is required to safely handle a firearm.

So, if anyone here is bringing their weapon from an SOB holster horizontally PLEASE STOP NOW (it is incorrect).
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boomerang wrote:
TexasComputerDude wrote:I suspect SOB requires ALOT more practice to do properly. To get your muscle memory in line. I imagine if you didn't practice alot in a tense situation your more likely to sweep your kidneys.
I don't think it would be any harder than a shoulder holster.
Same thing for horizontal shoulder carry. There is right way and wrong way.

Unless I "choose" to make an abbreviated draw (pull across chest) then I never cover myself when drawing from a shoulder rig (horizontal). This is true whether drawing strong hand (cross draw) or weak hand (same side presentation).

A "proper" draw from a shoulder rig should cover no one... despite what all the experts say (experts that don't wear shoulder rigs...or who shouldn't be called experts because clearly they don't know how to draw from one).


When drawing from a HSR (cross draw) the draw stroke should always have the weapon coming out a 45 degree angle. Its easier to demonstrate than to tell...but basically your forearm is against (or near) your chest as reach for the weapon. Your wrist... by necessity.. will be bent about 45-60 degrees as make purchase on the weapon. Upon removal from the holster (a downward pull) simply snap your wrist straight (at roughly 45 deg.) and the muzzle will cover no one. No need to lift your arm and clasp the back of your head or any other nonsense.

When drawing weak hand (same side) simply grasp the butt of the gun lift 90 deg. (gun is now oriented like it was sitting on a table), draw until the muzzle clears the holster, immediately rotate muzzle toward ground, while muzzle/gun is still vertical rotate the weapon the remaining 90 degrees (by simply bringing your elbow in) and present the weapon as per normal. No one gets covered. If that sounds awkward...I can do that draw consistently at right around 2 seconds (faster than a lot of folks carrying IWB).

I really need to make a DVD showing these techniques...apparently they are little known (why I do not know).

Now, there is one way I draw (for sake of speed or space) that definitely covers my arm. I alluded to it earlier as an "abbreviated" draw.... and I would use it in a heartbeat if circumstance required an extremely fast presentation, space was limited, stealth required....or retention a grave concern).

With this draw...you basically pull the weapon from the Horizontal Shoulder Rig straight across your chest while the support arm stays parallel but just below the strong arm. The resulting draw creates a small arc of "coverage" about 4" on the average adult (unless you have really skinny arms), but its extremely fast.

Assuming all safety features are operational on your weapon and you DON"T yet have your finger on the trigger, then I am "personally" comfortable using this draw if the situation warrants.

Sorry for the rant. I know that my posts sometimes come off sounding a bit like a lecture. There is just so much misinformation out there concerning cross draw....that I always try to offer a few solutions when I can.

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well, I've never had a sob holster and was just theorizing. I can see now how your right lol. I was thinking it worked different, maybe I'll buy one one of these days.
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TexasComputerDude wrote:well, I've never had a sob holster and was just theorizing. I can see now how your right lol. I was thinking it worked different, maybe I'll buy one one of these days.

Since you are in Lufkin...we should get together with Longtooth sometime and go shooting. A demonstration of the technique will make it much clearer than my feeble attempt to explain it in verse.

SOB carry wouldn't be my first choice for daily carry...but I can see how it would fit the bill for a lot of folks.

I am forced to carry in a cross draw fashion due to a shoulder injury, but I've been able to make it work just fine.
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name a place lol,

maybe someone should make a website that goes into detail and has videos of how to properly draw from all holsters.
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I carry my Beretta P92 SOB Inside the Waist with a Cheap Uncle Mike's Holster. It is not my prefered method of Carry, but this is not a gun that I carry often.
Points in Favor is that it hides very well.
It is very comfortable when walking.
Works well with a cheap holster and belt. A P92 is a pretty big gun.

Disadvantage is that Its uncomfortable to drive or sit for any length of time.
It is a slow draw.

I don't find sweeping myself or others when drawing. I keep the gun vertical and pointed down until it is at 9 o'clock.
I also don't believe it subjects me to injury, but My Uncle Mike's is well padded.
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