The ad that Obama is trying to get banned

[tbranch]

There's nothing wrong with that ad. BHO hates the second amendment and will now go after the first amendment. How much do we really know about this man?

Tom

[KFP]

There's nothing wrong with that ad. BHO hates the second amendment and will now go after the first amendment. How much do we really know about this man?

Tom

I'd say that's about all we'd need to know!

[biggyin]

that's pretty messed up!!! I cannot understand what people see in this man!

[bdickens]

Typical leftist. When you can't win in the arena of ideas, try to silence the opposition. When someone tells the truth about what you're up to, try to silence them.

[John]

that's pretty messed up!!! I cannot understand what people see in this man!

That's the rub. Many people rely on the 5 O'clock news for their information and therefore are not seeing any controversy. I wonder how many people know that Russia has war ships in the Caribbean and are starting war games with Hugo Chavez next month? That's pretty darn close to home and no one is talking about it because it would mean a big shift to McCain.

[nitrogen]

Come on, the ad is horse hockey.

Do some independent research on the issue, i.e. not partisan and you'll see it means about as much as Palin's "abuse of power" in troopergate.

Obama's acting against the ad because he believes it's a violation of current campaign finance laws (which I think are sketchy, personally) as well as potentially libelous. (Again, a stretch, but consider, below)

The following are facts:
1) Obama was 8 years old when Ayers and his group bombed the capitol.
2) OBama And Ayers served on teh Annenberg Challenge board, a school reform board, and one other which I can't recall at the moment.
3) Ayers is a Distinguished Professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago, College of Education
4) Obama and Ayers never planned any terrorist activities together.

As far as his "We didn't do enough" here's what he says about that:

"The one thing I don't regret is opposing the war in Vietnam with every ounce of my being.... When I say, 'We didn't do enough,' a lot of people rush to think, 'That must mean, "We didn't bomb enough [expletive deleted]."' But that's not the point at all. It's not a tactical statement, it's an obvious political and ethical statement. In this context, 'we' means 'everyone.'"

Dislike Obama for his stance on guns, healthcare, economics, or even his skin color, but inventing this kind of garbage is just as bad as going after Sarah Palin for "Troopergate".

I could, easily, tie John McCain to Acorn (see HERE for instance) but we all know what the truth is here, right?

I could also easily tie John McCain to a domestic terrorist that bombed an abortion clinic (see HERE)

We all know that McCain doesn't support abortion bombings, right? It's just as much garbage when Obama does it, as when McCain does it.

Remember, all this hockey is to take your mind off real issues. Feel free to hate Obama for his stance on the issues (and lord knows there's plenty there to hate both candidates for) but don't get blinded by this.

[Charles L. Cotton]

Come on, the ad is horse hockey.

Do some independent research on the issue, i.e. not partisan . . .

Let's do.

Obama's acting against the ad because he believes it's a violation of current campaign finance laws (which I think are sketchy, personally) as well as potentially libelous. (Again, a stretch, but consider, below)

No he's not; he's trying to win the election and he has a track record of lying about his associations. If he can scare people, organizations and broadcasters for another three weeks, he's accomplished his goals. Under the New York Times Rule, he has no defamation claim and he knows it.

He tried to scare media outlets into pulling NRA/ILA ads also, and I can guarantee you we didn't violate any campaign finance laws.

The following are facts:
1) Obama was 8 years old when Ayers and his group bombed the capitol.

Obama was 10 years old (DOB 8/4/61) when the Capital was bombed (3/1/71) by Ayers' terrorist organization, the Weatherman. He was 11 years old when the Weathermen bombed the Pentagon in 1972.

I was 10 years old in 1960 when Nixon and Kennedy were running for President. I knew all about both candidates, Joe Kennedy's dream for JFK, since Joe Jr. had died in WWII, and much more. This was at the age of 10, the same age Obama was when a more memorable event occurred -- the bombing of the U.S. Capitol.

I was 11 years old when Kennedy's Bay of Pigs fiasco rocked the U.S. I remember it well, very well.

I was 12 years old when the Cuban Missile Crisis had many Americans foolishly thinking about buying their very own bomb shelter for the backyard.

At 10, Obama was plenty old enough to know of the series of bombings of a New York City Police Dept. building, the U.S. Capitol and the Pentagon. But even if he didn't know about those things, he certainly knew of them when he began his political career and he had to know Bill Ayers was one of the founding members of the Weathermen.

2) OBama And Ayers served on teh Annenberg Challenge board, a school reform board, and one other which I can't recall at the moment.

Ayers and Obama live in the same neighborhood and Ayers hosted a fundraiser for Obama in the Ayers home in 1995. Fox News Obama was then 34 years old, not 10, so he had to know Ayers was a founder of the Weathermen. This was two years after Ayers and Obama started serving together on the Woods Foundation Board (1993-2002) and the very year that Obama and Ayers started on the Chicago Annenberg Challenge board. Once again, Obama lied about his association, trying to give the impression that Ayers is just someone he occasionally passed on the way to the restroom. But in truth, they worked close together. (Read the Kurtz article showing the close working and financial relationship between Ayers and Obama.)

Even Hillary Clinton attacked the Obama/Ayers connection when, during a debate, she said,

• Senator Obama served on a board with Mr. Ayers for a period of time, the Woods Foundation, which was a paid directorship position. And if I'm not mistaken, that relationship with Mr. Ayers on this board continued after 9/11 and after his reported comments, which were deeply hurtful to people in New York, and I would hope to every American, because they were published on 9/11 and he said that he was just sorry they hadn't done more. And what they did was set bombs and in some instances people died. . . .

3) Ayers is a Distinguished Professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago, College of Education

Charges were dropped against Ayers solely because of "procedural errors" by investigators. Otherwise, he'd either still be in prison, or a least a convicted felon, not a professor in the education department of a university. The only thing he'd be teaching is how to make license plates. Wall Street Journal

4) Obama and Ayers never planned any terrorist activities together.

No one has said he did. It's his willing association with a terrorist that calls his judgment and character into question. Trent Lott was never a member of the KKK, but he was repeatedly dogged by racists Democrats simply because he gave a toast to a old man at his 100th birthday party. Here is what he said, "I want to say this about my state: When Strom Thurmond ran for president, we voted for him. We're proud of it. And if the rest of the country had followed our lead, we wouldn't have had all these problems over all these years, either." Lott was trying to kind to an old man; he meant nothing racist by his toast. But look what happened when he tried to explain -- Gore: Lott should apologize for his comments or face censure by the Senate.

Earlier Monday, Lott issued a statement, saying, "My comments were not an endorsement of his positions of over 50 years ago, but of the man and his life". But some Democrats were angry. Civil rights activist Jesse Jackson called for Lott to resign, and former Vice President Al Gore told CNN that the comment was 'racist.'

Issuing one of the harshest rebukes Lott has received to date, even from Democrats, Gore said Monday in an interview on CNN's "Inside Politics" that Lott should apologize for his comments or face censure by the Senate. CNN

So if Gore, Jackson and other Democrats can lie about a birthday toast, then holding Obama accountable for his actual, hands-on involvement with an admitted domestic terrorist is hardy "hockey."

As far as his "We didn't do enough" here's what he says about that:

"The one thing I don't regret is opposing the war in Vietnam with every ounce of my being.... When I say, 'We didn't do enough,' a lot of people rush to think, 'That must mean, "We didn't bomb enough [expletive deleted]."' But that's not the point at all. It's not a tactical statement, it's an obvious political and ethical statement. In this context, 'we' means 'everyone.'"

You didn't give us a link to anything showing when Ayers said this, but he certainly didn't say that seven years ago when he was pimping his book Fugitive Days. In a New York Times article he certainly said , 'I don't regret setting bombs, . . . I feel we didn't do enough.', but you won't see the explanation you've quoted or anything remotely close to that. In fact, when asked if he would do it again [participate in bombings], he responded I don't want to discount the possibility. This is the man with whom Obama has associated himself for years. The man who hosted one of Obama's first political fundraisers is his home. Again, without a link, there's no way to determine when Ayers changed his story, but I suspect it has been recently, now that he's become a problem for Obama. This sounds much like Obama's feigned surprise, Reverend Wright said what!!!?

Dislike Obama for his stance on guns, healthcare, economics, or even his skin color, but inventing this kind of garbage is just as bad as going after Sarah Palin for "Troopergate".

When there is solid evidence about Palin and her former brother-in-law who used a taser on his 10 year old stepson, then bring it up for discussion. (Not that it's relevant, but one must wonder why the Alaska Public Safety Commissioner wouldn't fire a trooper when an official departmental investigation found that the trooper 1) used a taser on this stepson; and 2) had been guilty of drinking in his patrol car. (See, CNN article.) Until then, this is just another Democratic operative's attempt to dodge Obama's improper associations that are supported by solid evidence. As for reasons to not like Obama, you left out his policies on redistribution of wealth, his racist, anti-American wife, his willingness to trample the First Amendment to silence political speech, his proven dishonesty (Wright, ACORN, Ayers), . . .

I could, easily, tie John McCain to Acorn (see HERE for instance) but we all know what the truth is here, right?

Take a look at the caption you left off of the photo with McCain and Florida Rep. Kendrick in the link to Politico. The beleaguered Democratic-leaning community group Acorn sends over this photograph: John McCain, in March of 2006, sitting beside Florida Rep. Kendrick Meek at an event Acorn co-sponsored in Florida. The immigration event, which other photos show was packed with red-shirted Acorn member, was co-sponsored by the local Catholic Archdiocese, the SEIU, and other groups.

That information sheds a little more light on it, doesn't it. It wasn't an ACORN meeting, rally, or strategy session. It was a meeting on immigration issues sponsored by ACORN, Catholic Archdiocese and SEIU (a labor union). Why post a link to the bare photo without the explanation of what is going on?

I could also easily tie John McCain to a domestic terrorist that bombed an abortion clinic (see HERE) We all know that McCain doesn't support abortion bombings, right? It's just as much garbage when Obama does it, as when McCain does it.

Really? Did you read the disclaimer at the bottom of the page? It was a spoof and here's proof "© 2008 Not The Associated Press. All rights reserved to he who Satirized them. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed. Because it’s not really the Associated Press. It’s Satire meant to open your eyes". forums.hannady.com

I tried a Google search to find some connection between Mike Hancoff and John McCain, but I can't find anything but chat room gossip or joke websites and only four of them. Google Search Hancoff/McCain I also did a search on Mike Hancoff/Focus of the Family and turned up nothing, except the Hannady spoof you linked to in your comments. Unlike the Obama Ayers connection, I certainly haven't found anything to indicate Hancoff had any influence on, or provided any support to, McCain or any of his campaigns.

Remember, all this hockey is to take your mind off real issues. Feel free to hate Obama for his stance on the issues (and lord knows there's plenty there to hate both candidates for) but don't get blinded by this.

It never ceases to amaze me how Democrats think they can dodge the facts by simply screaming "witch hunt!" I'm not saying you're doing this nitrogen, I presume you are quoting what the Democrats are saying on CNN, MSNBC, etc. Does some inaccurate information get published? Of course, but it usually is debunked rather quickly and Democrats do it at least as much or more than Republicans. Are some accusations overblown? Of course, but we need to give the general public more credit; they can usually see through the bluster.

But the defensive tactics used by Democrats are as bad as lying, perhaps even worse because they insult one's intelligence. When it is argued "Obama didn't participate in planning any bombings" it's merely a ploy to hide the truth. I know, I've used it in many trials. One simply defends against an absurd accusation that no one has ever raised, and your opposition must then focus on arguing "I never said that," rather than proving the real claim. I have never seen anyone claim that Obama is a terrorist, or that he participated in planning or carrying out terrorists acts. It has been accurately reported that Obama 1) has had a "spiritual adviser" for over 20 years who is a racist, is anti-American and has been making public statements to that effect for longer than Obama has known him; 2) started his political career at a fundraiser hosted by an admitted domestic terrorist; 3) has had at least a 13 year working relationship with this same domestic terrorist; and 4) was instrumental, to a greater or lesser degree, in ACORN voter registration activities.

Obama's responses:

• 1. I didn't know Rev. Wright felt like that;
  2. I didn't know he was a terrorist;
  3. I rarely saw the man;
  4. No I didn't (but he removed his denial from his website when proof surfaced)

I don't hate Obama, I just don't want him to get away with his lies and get elected in spite of who and what he really is.

Chas.

[Ace_Inthe_O]

I would quote the previous post but its really long.

[pbwalker]

I could also easily tie John McCain to a domestic terrorist that bombed an abortion clinic (see HERE)

Really? You're going to cite an article, as factual, when they say this:

"John McCain needs to explain his ties to this domestic terrorist, the American people demand an answer.", Barack Obama stated at a campaign stop in the 57th state in the Union, Puerto Rico, on Monday.

[pbwalker]

I would quote the previous post but its really long.

[bryang]

I would quote the previous post but its really long.

Thank you Charles!!

-geo

[KBCraig]

Ayers and Obama live in the same neighborhood and Ayers hosted a fundraiser for Obama in the Ayers home in 1995. Fox News Obama was then 34 years old, not 10, so he had to know Ayers was a founder of the Weathermen. This was two years after Ayers and Obama started serving together on the Woods Foundation Board (1993-2002) and the very year that Obama and Ayers started on the Chicago Annenberg Challenge board. Once again, Obama lied about his association, trying to give the impression that Ayers is just someone he occasionally passed on the way to the restroom. But in truth, they worked close together. (Read the Kurtz article showing the close working and financial relationship between Ayers and Obama.)

For more information on how closely they worked together, including a very persuasive argument that Ayers actually wrote Obama's first book, see this:

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[anygunanywhere]

Ayers and Obama live in the same neighborhood and Ayers hosted a fundraiser for Obama in the Ayers home in 1995. Fox News Obama was then 34 years old, not 10, so he had to know Ayers was a founder of the Weathermen. This was two years after Ayers and Obama started serving together on the Woods Foundation Board (1993-2002) and the very year that Obama and Ayers started on the Chicago Annenberg Challenge board. Once again, Obama lied about his association, trying to give the impression that Ayers is just someone he occasionally passed on the way to the restroom. But in truth, they worked close together. (Read the Kurtz article showing the close working and financial relationship between Ayers and Obama.)

For more information on how closely they worked together, including a very persuasive argument that Ayers actually wrote Obama's first book, see this:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/ ... the_1.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Barry must not have had any teleprompters operated by speechwriters going while he tried to write his book.

Anygunanywhere

[KBCraig]

For more information on how closely they worked together, including a very persuasive argument that Ayers actually wrote Obama's first book, see this:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/ ... the_1.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Barry must not have had any teleprompters operated by speechwriters going while he tried to write his book.

From the excerpts I've heard of his audio books, it sounded like he was reading something that was unfamiliar. It certainly didn't sound like someone reading something that had flowed from the passion of his own heart.