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The President Signs Concealed Handgun Law for National Parks

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This article was published today in the Houston Chronicle:

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/bus ... 37482.html

Great news - As part of the Credit Card Law, the President signed yesterday, we now have a right to protect ourselves in National Parks.
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Obama signs law curbing surprise credit card fees
By PHILIP ELLIOTT
Associated Press
May 22, 2009, 4:07PM

President Barack Obama warned overeager shoppers and greedy credit card companies alike on Friday to act responsibly as he signed into law a bill designed to protect debt-ridden consumers from surprise charges.

The White House staged a signing ceremony in the Rose Garden, an indication of the legislation's importance to Obama. Though opposed by many financial companies, the bill cleared Congress with broad support.

Obama made clear that he didn't champion the changes with the intention of helping those who buy more than they can afford through "reckless spending or wishful thinking."

"Some get in over their heads by not using their heads," the president said. "I want to be clear: We do not excuse or condone folks who've acted irresponsibly."

And yet, he said, for many of the millions of Americans, trying to get out of debt has been made difficult and bewildering by their credit card companies.

Nearly 80 percent of Americans have credit cards and half of those carry a balance, according to the White House. The Federal Reserve estimates the nation is some $2.5 trillion in debt, a figure that does not include home mortgages.

Obama said many people have gotten "trapped" because of the downturn in the economy that has turned family budgets on their heads. But, he said, "part of it is the practices of the credit card companies."

He criticized policies that allowed for confusing fine print; the sudden appearance of unexplained fees on bills; unannounced shifts in payment deadlines, interest charges or rate increases even when payments aren't late; and payments directed to balances with the lowest interest rates rather than the highest.

"We're here to put a change to all that," Obama said.

One part of the bill Obama did not publicly celebrate at the signing, a gun amendment. The measure by Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., allows people to bring loaded guns into national parks and wildlife refuges.

The addition of the amendment to the bill — and Obama's acceptance of it — was viewed as a bitter disappointment for gun-control advocates.

They watched gun-rights supporters gain a victory from a Democratic-controlled Congress and a Democratic president that they couldn't achieve under a Republican Congress and president. Many blamed the National Rifle Association, which pushed hard for the gun law.

Democratic lawmakers and aides said they didn't have enough time to send the bill to the House-Senate conference committee — where the gun provision could have been removed without a vote — and still get the bill to Obama by the Memorial Day weekend as he requested.


The new credit card rules, which go into effect in nine months, prohibit companies from giving cards to people under 21 unless they can prove they have the means to pay the debt or a parent or guardian co-signs. A customer also will have to be more than 60 days behind on a payment before seeing a rate increase on an existing balance. Even then, the lender will be required to restore the previous, lower rate if the cardholder pays the minimum balance on time for six months.

And consumers also will have to receive 45 days' notice and an explanation before their interest rates increase.

Despite being touted as a victory for consumers, financial experts said the bill could have unintended consequences as credit card companies look for ways to make up for potential lost revenue. Those measures could include more cards with annual fees and the loss of a grace period before interest accrues, which would affect even those consumers who pay off their balance each month.

Last year, the Nilson Report estimated that more than 700 million credit cards were in circulation in the United States. That's more than two cards for every man, woman and child.

The president noted that nearly half of all Americans carry a balance on their credit cards, and that their average balance is more than $7,000.

Obama decried the "uneasy, unstable dependence" that a minority of card users have on credit.

"So we're not going to give people a free pass, and we expect consumers to live within their means and pay what they owe," Obama said. "But we also expect financial institutions to act with the same sense of responsibility that the American people aspire to in their own lives."
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As a followup, this was published today in the Washington Post:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/federa ... eheadlines

National Parks Gun Law Takes Effect in February
A new law permitting concealed loaded firearms at National Parks will not take effect until February and the Interior Department will continue to enforce Reagan-era restrictions until then, a spokeswoman said today.

"Under the current regulation, firearms are generally prohibited, but citizens may transport unloaded and dismantled or cased firearms and carry firearms while participating in approved hunting programs and under certain other circumstances," Interior spokeswoman Kendra Barkoff said in a statement released minutes after President Obama signed the credit card holders' bill of rights, which includes an amendment allowing firearms at the nation's National Parks and wildlife refuges.

The department plans to work on implementing the new law in the meantime, focusing especially on public safety and the safety of National Park employees, Barkoff said. Permission to carry a firearm into a park and the actual restrictions on such possession will vary by state, since the new federal law is governed by each state's firearms laws.

This week both the House and Senate approved Sen. Tom Coburn's amendment to the credit card bill. The Oklahoma Republican and a bipartisan coalition of lawmakers has tried for years to get the measure approved, arguing that differences in state and federal firearms restrictions made it difficult for gun owners to travel between state and federal lands. Interior instituted new regulations in the waning weeks of the Bush administration, only to have them rejected by a federal judge in March. The Obama administration refused to appeal the decision and the president signed today's bill with no comment on the gun provisions. Approval of Coburn's bill is yet another of several recent setbacks for gun control advocates.

By washingtonpost.com Editors | May 22, 2009; 3:32 PM ET | Category: Agencies and Departments
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As another follow-up, here is the language of the ammendment as passed:
It is posted at:http://www.govtrack.us/congress/amendme ... amdt=s1067

S.Amdt. 1067: To protect innocent Americans from violent crime in national parks...
To protect innocent Americans from violent crime in national parks and refuges.

An amendment to H.R. 627: Credit Cardholders' Bill of Rights Act of 2009.

Offered: May 12, 2009
Sponsor: Sen. Thomas Coburn [R-OK]
Actions: May 12, 2009: Amendment SA 1067 proposed by Senator Coburn to Amendment SA 1058.
May 12, 2009: Amendment SA 1067, pursuant to the order of May 12, 2009, having acheived the required 60 votes in the affirmative, was agreed to in Senate by Yea-Nay Vote. 67 - 29. Record Vote Number: 188.

For more information, see the the official record on THOMAS for S.Amdt. 1067.

Text of amendment
SA 1067. Mr. COBURN proposed an amendment to amendment SA 1058 proposed by Mr. Dodd (for himself and Mr. Shelby) to the bill H.R. 627, to amend the Truth in Lending Act to establish fair and transparent practices relating to the extension of credit under an open end consumer credit plan, and for other purposes; as follows:


At the appropriate place, insert the following:

SEC. __. PROTECTING AMERICANS FROM VIOLENT CRIME.

(a) Congressional Findings.--Congress finds the following:

(1) The Second Amendment to the Constitution provides that ``the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed''.

(2) Section 2.4(a)(1) of title 36, Code of Federal Regulations, provides that ``except as otherwise provided in this section and parts 7 (special regulations) and 13 (Alaska regulations), the following are prohibited: (i) Possessing a weapon, trap or net (ii) Carrying a weapon, trap or net (iii) Using a weapon, trap or net''.

(3) Section 27.42 of title 50, Code of Federal Regulations, provides that, except in special circumstances, citizens of the United States may not ``possess, use, or transport firearms on national wildlife refuges'' of the United States Fish and Wildlife Service.

(4) The regulations described in paragraphs (2) and (3) prevent individuals complying with Federal and State laws from exercising the second amendment rights of the individuals while at units of--

(A) the National Park System; and

(B) the National Wildlife Refuge System.

(5) The existence of different laws relating to the transportation and possession of firearms at different units of the National Park System and the National Wildlife Refuge System entrapped law-abiding gun owners while at units of the National Park System and the National Wildlife Refuge System.

(6) Although the Bush administration issued new regulations relating to the Second Amendment rights of law-abiding citizens in units of the National Park System and National Wildlife Refuge System that went into effect on January 9, 2009--

(A) on March 19, 2009, the United States District Court for the District of Columbia granted a preliminary injunction with respect to the implementation and enforcement of the new regulations; and

(B) the new regulations--

(i) are under review by the administration; and

(ii) may be altered.

(7) Congress needs to weigh in on the new regulations to ensure that unelected bureaucrats and judges cannot again override the Second Amendment rights of law-abiding citizens on 83,600,000 acres of National Park System land and 90,790,000 acres of land under the jurisdiction of the United States Fish and Wildlife Service.

(8) The Federal laws should make it clear that the second amendment rights of an individual at a unit of the National Park System or the National Wildlife Refuge System should not be infringed.

(b) Protecting the Right of Individuals to Bear arms in Units of the National Park System and the National Wildlife Refuge System.--The Secretary of the Interior shall not promulgate or enforce any regulation that prohibits an individual from possessing a firearm including an assembled or functional firearm in any unit of the National Park System or the National Wildlife Refuge System if--

(1) the individual is not otherwise prohibited by law from possessing the firearm; and

(2) the possession of the firearm is in compliance with the law of the State in which the unit of the National Park System or the National Wildlife Refuge System is located.



(As printed in the Congressional Record for the Senate on May 12, 2009.)
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Glen3107 wrote:Great news - As part of the Credit Card Law, the President signed yesterday, we now have a right to protect ourselves in National Parks.
We've always had the right to protect ourselves. It is a right granted us by our Creator. It is a right corroborated by our Second Amendment.

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wheelgun1958 wrote:
Glen3107 wrote:Great news - As part of the Credit Card Law, the President signed yesterday, we now have a right to protect ourselves in National Parks.
We've always had the right to protect ourselves. It is a right granted us by our Creator. It is a right corroborated by our Second Amendment.

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Well said! :patriot:
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Takes effect in February, eh? :rules: ITMT, we're still at the mercy of the carnivores, rapscallions and sodomites, is that correct?
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Oldgringo wrote:Takes effect in February, eh? :rules: ITMT, we're still at the mercy of the carnivores, rapscallions and sodomites, is that correct?
Where are you finding the February start date? I might be driving through a few National Parks this summer. I'm guessing there is no chance it will be "law" by July, right?

What is the current law and/or best practice? I'll be driving through New Mexico and Arizona, so will be carrying via reciprocity with those two states. If/when I enter a National Park, can my gun be unloaded and stored in a locked container? Or am I prohibited from even having a gun in my possession at all? I'll also be traveling in California, so unloaed and locked up is what I plan to do to be as "law abiding" as possible in Leftyland.
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austinrealtor wrote:
Oldgringo wrote:Takes effect in February, eh? :rules: ITMT, we're still at the mercy of the carnivores, rapscallions and sodomites, is that correct?
Where are you finding the February start date? I might be driving through a few National Parks this summer. I'm guessing there is no chance it will be "law" by July, right?

What is the current law and/or best practice? I'll be driving through New Mexico and Arizona, so will be carrying via reciprocity with those two states. If/when I enter a National Park, can my gun be unloaded and stored in a locked container? Or am I prohibited from even having a gun in my possession at all? I'll also be traveling in California, so unloaed and locked up is what I plan to do to be as "law abiding" as possible in Leftyland.

See Glen3107's post above.
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Oldgringo wrote:See Glen3107's post above.
Are you referring to this? "The new credit card rules, which go into effect in nine months,"

Does this time frame also apply to the gun law changes?
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austinrealtor wrote:
Oldgringo wrote:See Glen3107's post above.
Are you referring to this? "The new credit card rules, which go into effect in nine months,"

Does this time frame also apply to the gun law changes?
:headscratch The NP carry provision is a part of the total bill signed by His Obamaness.
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This is the posting at the Department of Interior Web page:
http://www.doi.gov/news/09_News_Releases/052209c.html

U.S. Department of the Interior Date: May 22, 2009
Contact: Kendra Barkoff
(202) 713-0827

Interior Spokeswoman’s Statement on New Firearms Law for Parks and Refuges
Provision will take effect in nine months


WASHINGTON, D.C. – WASHINGTON, D.C. – Today, U.S. Department of the Interior spokeswoman Kendra Barkoff issued the following statement regarding the enactment of a new firearms law for national parks and wildlife refuges that will take effect in nine months:

“The Department of the Interior will follow Congress’s directive and implement the new firearms law, which states that its provisions will take effect nine months from today. For the time being, the current Reagan Administration regulations governing possession of firearms in national parks and wildlife refuges remain in place. Under the current regulation, firearms are generally prohibited, but citizens may transport unloaded and dismantled or cased firearms and carry firearms while participating in approved hunting programs and under certain other circumstances. “As Interior prepares to implement the new law, the Department will work to understand and interpret its implications for our national parks and wildlife refuges, with public safety and the safety of our employees as our foremost consideration. Because possession of loaded weapons on national parks and wildlife refuges will be governed by varying state firearms laws once the new law is implemented, the Department will provide guidance to the more than 24,000 professionals who manage our parks and refuges and the more than 310 million people who visit our parks and refuges each year.”

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You got to love how they keep reminding us that Reagan gave us the rules restricting the RKBA in our parks. While he did a lot of good thing we need to remember that he was once a Democrat and was apologetically a Californian.

Ironic:

What Reagan taketh from us
Obabam givith us.

Taxes: gun rights, regulations. Stronger unions,

It would be funny if it weren't so painful. Maybe someone should tell Obama that Reagan increased our debt so he can take that away from us. :lol:
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Glen3107 wrote:This is the posting at the Department of Interior Web page:
http://www.doi.gov/news/09_News_Releases/052209c.html

U.S. Department of the Interior Date: May 22, 2009
Contact: Kendra Barkoff
(202) 713-0827

Interior Spokeswoman’s Statement on New Firearms Law for Parks and Refuges
Provision will take effect in nine months


WASHINGTON, D.C. – WASHINGTON, D.C. – Today, U.S. Department of the Interior spokeswoman Kendra Barkoff issued the following statement regarding the enactment of a new firearms law for national parks and wildlife refuges that will take effect in nine months:

“The Department of the Interior will follow Congress’s directive and implement the new firearms law, which states that its provisions will take effect nine months from today. For the time being, the current Reagan Administration regulations governing possession of firearms in national parks and wildlife refuges remain in place. Under the current regulation, firearms are generally prohibited, but citizens may transport unloaded and dismantled or cased firearms and carry firearms while participating in approved hunting programs and under certain other circumstances. “As Interior prepares to implement the new law, the Department will work to understand and interpret its implications for our national parks and wildlife refuges, with public safety and the safety of our employees as our foremost consideration. Because possession of loaded weapons on national parks and wildlife refuges will be governed by varying state firearms laws once the new law is implemented, the Department will provide guidance to the more than 24,000 professionals who manage our parks and refuges and the more than 310 million people who visit our parks and refuges each year.”

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Thank you, Glen. Exactly what I was looking for.
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