Texas Processing Lunacy

[joe817]

As the fiscal year ends on 8/31/2009, I'll be really interested in seeing what the demographics of new licensees are. Here's the stats for the prior 3 fiscal years from the DPS website:

09/01/06 - 08/31/06: 67,843
09/01/07 - 08/31/07: 90,867
09/01/07 - 08/31/08: 73,090
09/01/08 - 08/31/09: ?

I can only speculate why the delays are so long. But with recent passages in legislation, I would think that the delay time will be cut.

Let's give the system a chance to work. I guarantee the wait will be worth it( I guess that's one of the benefits of age....one learns patience.)

[frjeff]

Something HAS been done, this legislative session:

http://www.texasshooting.com/TexasCHL_F ... 15#p287661" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The legislature approved law that will allow additional persons to do background checks, to hopefully speed up the process.

Will that fix the Whole system? No, but it's something

We need a fix, not a facade

What facade? Why do you not think this will help? What changes would you suggest?

Chas.

The system is way broken and small psuedo-fixes like you cite will not fix the problem. Just watch and see.

I never said it would fix the entire problem. The bill I wrote would have drastically changed and streamlined the procedure, but it didn't happen. The several changes we added to the DPS Sunset bill certainly will help, but it will not cure all delays. If you have a better idea that you can get passed in Austin, please let me know. After working our tails off on this single issue since last summer getting the most we could get, I have to admit I'm growing more than a little tired of the "nothing is going to help" attitude.

Chas.

Let me thank you for all of your efforts on behalf of gun owners and CHL prospectees here in TX.
I'm not implying that your efforts were/are meaningless or futile.
I'm simply suggesting that continuing the current methodology is not satisfactory.
Hopefully, your bill will make some improvement.

[Charles L. Cotton]

Let me thank you for all of your efforts on behalf of gun owners and CHL prospectees here in TX.
I'm not implying that your efforts were/are meaningless or futile.
I'm simply suggesting that continuing the current methodology is not satisfactory.
Hopefully, your bill will make some improvement.

My bill isn't what was added to the DPS Sunset Bill, only small portions. My bill did away with fingerprints, relying instead on NCIC, TCIC and NICS computer background checks instead. It also did away will all three money eligibility requirements including child support, taxes/fees and school loans, as well as doing away with any "local" checks. That would have allowed a DPS clerk to open an application and process it in less than 10 minutes. Then the only thing to do is manufacture the license. Unfortunately, it didn't fly with the crew we had in Austin this session. The improvements we made were simply the best we could do in this political climate. They should help, but they certainly won't fix the entire delay problem as would have my entire bill.

However, I'm about to launch Plan B -- lawsuits. More on that in another thread.

Chas.

[Shorts]

As the fiscal year ends on 8/31/2009, I'll be really interested in seeing what the demographics of new licensees are. Here's the stats for the prior 3 fiscal years from the DPS website:

09/01/06 - 08/31/06: 67,843
09/01/07 - 08/31/07: 90,867
09/01/07 - 08/31/08: 73,090
09/01/08 - 08/31/09: ?

I can only speculate why the delays are so long. But with recent passages in legislation, I would think that the delay time will be cut.

Let's give the system a chance to work. I guarantee the wait will be worth it( I guess that's one of the benefits of age....one learns patience.)

Well you'll be new in the process so you'll feel the system with it's changes. Others have been stuck in it long before. Good thing CHLs last a bit before needing renewal. Long enough to take the sting off the wait.

I never said it would fix the entire problem. The bill I wrote would have drastically changed and streamlined the procedure, but it didn't happen. The several changes we added to the DPS Sunset bill certainly will help, but it will not cure all delays. If you have a better idea that you can get passed in Austin, please let me know. After working our tails off on this single issue since last summer getting the most we could get, I have to admit I'm growing more than a little tired of the "nothing is going to help" attitude.

Chas.

Charles thanks for the long efforts. Bureaucracy muddies the process. There are only so many ideas that can be passed to Austin that stand any chance of passing. Austin seems inclined to barely give an inch and they seem satisfied to do it that way. Of course there is a "nothing is going to help" attitude. You've got people long stuck in the system who had an eagerness at the beginning and can't see the end.

Have you climbed Mt Fuji? I had the chance last year. And I was eager to begin. That enthusiasm faded with altitude sickness and the hours that passed on the climb. You bet the "nothing is going to help" crossed my mind other than getting to the top. The top meant that I was halfway done. Countless baby steps weren't a consolation on the climb, though they were necessary. One switchback after the last wasn't consolation, but each was necessary. Each station we got to felt more like progress, and they were necessary. You see the individual steps that felt like nothing could now be measured in the thousands of feet when at stations. After hours of countless steps and unable to see the end, I finally got to the 12th station.

In this climb everyone is allowed to feel like they want to feel. There is eagerness to begin. There is struggle throughout. There is triumph when it is done. That's just the way it is. Maybe we are all ungrateful Texans, but I doubt that. We are all hopeful, but the long process doesn't let us see the end. You bet that eagerness wears off during the middle.


Your position seems to be the one of fixing gun/CHL problems. Seeing & hearing the complaints come with the territory. But you know that. And you tire of it. Same goes for applicants. We know the wait comes with the territory, but applicants tire of it just the same.

Thank you. I know you feel what we do. The frustration is certainly not with you. We are all stuck in the middle together.

[Bart]

I also see that Texas CHL is recognized by many more states compared to the other. Could the class & test requirement add credibility to the permit holder? Sure it could. Now I haven't read all the other states' site and their reasons why a Texas CHL fulfills their requirements for reciprocity. It would be interesting to see why. What is the most common requirement?

Actually it's the other way around. Texas recognizes licenses from more states than recognize the Texas license. The long class, the strict eligibility requirements and the high fees don't seem to be doing much for reciprocity.

[frjeff]

Chas.

Let me know if you need any help funding said possible lawsuits. Somehow, the system needs a good shaking.
Perhaps that's it!

[Shorts]

Let me thank you for all of your efforts on behalf of gun owners and CHL prospectees here in TX.
I'm not implying that your efforts were/are meaningless or futile.
I'm simply suggesting that continuing the current methodology is not satisfactory.
Hopefully, your bill will make some improvement.

My bill isn't what was added to the DPS Sunset Bill, only small portions. My bill did away with fingerprints, relying instead on NCIC, TCIC and NICS computer background checks instead. It also did away will all three money eligibility requirements including child support, taxes/fees and school loans, as well as doing away with any "local" checks. That would have allowed a DPS clerk to open an application and process it in less than 10 minutes. Then the only thing to do is manufacture the license. Unfortunately, it didn't fly with the crew we had in Austin this session. The improvements we made were simply the best we could do in this political climate. They should help, but they certainly won't fix the entire delay problem as would have my entire bill.

However, I'm about to launch Plan B -- lawsuits. More on that in another thread.

Chas.

And these changes in your bill would have done an excellent number on processing times.

With their rejection, Austin seems to show the hand of "revenue generating venture" with the CHL program.

(I don't condone folks not paying their debts. Debts should be paid. I don't believe these debts should have influence on CHL)

[blue]

We submit Full fingerprints, photos, background infomation,etc., notarized/signed (With Heavy penalties for fraud.)

1. When CHL class and packet are completed - run copys of prints and photo, for instructor files, run NCIS check(same as buying a gun). If all ok,then instructor Immediately issues Temporary CHL. (Maybe Instructor could Fax Prints /Photos and List of Temporary's issued to activate them)
Note:TX Dr. Lic usually takes 3-6 weeks DELIVERED!with Temporary to cover from day 1)

2. Copy packet, add payment and mail Certified/Return Receipt. (ASAP)

3. DPS Receives packet- they have maximum of 30 calendar days to have the CHL PLASTIC DELIVERED. PERIOD!

4. IF CHL plastic is not DELIVERED in the 30 calendar days - DPS PAYS for ALL COSTS- Class, ammo, rentals, notary, etc., and state fees. If over 40th calendar day - Double above "All costs" + Any/All Legal and Lawyers fees. Doubling again each added 10 calendar days thereafter.

5. If Unfairly denied - DPS pays double the above rates and double all lawyer/legal fees.


----Grrrr----
Well I think it would FIX a few problems postee hastee!

After all the hoops we , THE BEST TEXAS CITIZENS, have to hop through, DPS Should at least show some respect for us and a little bit of pride in the work they should be doing.
(With some consequences if they don't-sadly lacking any now!)
------More Grrrrrr----

****Best Regards and a big THANK YOU to Chas. and Crew from ALL of US.*******

blue

[Purplehood]

Have you climbed Mt Fuji? I had the chance last year. And I was eager to begin. That enthusiasm faded with altitude sickness and the hours that passed on the climb. You bet the "nothing is going to help" crossed my mind other than getting to the top. The top meant that I was halfway done. Countless baby steps weren't a consolation on the climb, though they were necessary. One switchback after the last wasn't consolation, but each was necessary. Each station we got to felt more like progress, and they were necessary. You see the individual steps that felt like nothing could now be measured in the thousands of feet when at stations. After hours of countless steps and unable to see the end, I finally got to the 12th station.

When I was a young Air Force brat I used to look out my bedroom window and look at Mt. Fuji every day. I am sure I must have gone up it as my Mom told me that I did.
As a jarhead, I also was TAD to the Marine Base at the bottom of it years later.
Sorry, off to memory-lane again.

[74novaman]

Have you climbed Mt Fuji? I had the chance last year. And I was eager to begin. That enthusiasm faded with altitude sickness and the hours that passed on the climb. You bet the "nothing is going to help" crossed my mind other than getting to the top. The top meant that I was halfway done. Countless baby steps weren't a consolation on the climb, though they were necessary. One switchback after the last wasn't consolation, but each was necessary. Each station we got to felt more like progress, and they were necessary. You see the individual steps that felt like nothing could now be measured in the thousands of feet when at stations. After hours of countless steps and unable to see the end, I finally got to the 12th station.

When I was a young Air Force brat I used to look out my bedroom window and look at Mt. Fuji every day. I am sure I must have gone up it as my Mom told me that I did.
As a jarhead, I also was TAD to the Marine Base at the bottom of it years later.
Sorry, off to memory-lane again.

Add another to the "been up Mt. Fuji" club. I loved how only 2 flags were on the wall in the hut at the top. Brazil, and TEXAS.


Climb up was a lot of fun. Back down, not so much.

[Shorts]

I was proud to see TX flag up there

I puked on the way down

[Frost]

New Hampshire has a 1 page application form and a $10 background check.

Just sayin.

[boomerang]

New Hampshire has a 1 page application form

And requires three references.

[stash]

New Hampshire has a 1 page application form

And requires three references.

That they apparently don't contact.

[The Annoyed Man]

I don't know about the current law there, but a friend of mine used to hold CCW permit in South Dakota. The local sheriffs were the issuing authority, but it was a SHALL issue deal with an instant background check. If you passed the background check, it didn't matter what the sheriff's opinion of your character was, he/she had to issue the permit that day. IIRC, the fee was something like $10-$15.

I'm not saying that way is necessarily a better system than ours, but it does seem a whole lot easier - and you don't see a whole lot of gun crime in South Dakota.