Students ostracized for advocating concealed carry on campus

[Captain Matt]

It shows the tolerance for freedom of expression by certain groups.

[ELB]

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On a more serious note. ... But I'm completely unbothered about the so called free speech needs of adolescents on campus...

If you are serious about that statement, that is appalling.

It also puts you on the side of the same university administrations that would do away with YOUR free speech rights, starting with this forum, if they could...and they will eventually. The left recognized long ago that they had to take over the schools to make longterm change, they did, and it would seem they are wildly successful. After all, the purpose of public schools is the transmit the culture and politics of the dominant forces in society, and reduce the influence of parents and family. The fact that there are still some students who get through without being corrupted is something to celebrate, but removing their ability to associate and highlight the absurdities of the modern college campus -- in this case, suppressing the support for campus-concealed carry -- is lunacy. It is ceding yet another area of society to complete control of the left. 18-25 year olds -- and older -- are adults, and they should be treated as such. An 18 yearold may stil have the mindset of a high school kid, but he should be disabused of that ASAP (one of the excellent beneifits of boot camp). They should join the military, go to school, get jobs, straighten up and fly right -- and fight back politically against the mess that the left is trying to make of this country. If anything, our best chance to do this is energizing the young people who still believe in actual liberty, individual responsibility and effort, and natural rights. Not tell them to sit down and shut up and not argue with their cockamamie professors...it will be too late by the time they graduate and have to get 'real' jobs..

[frazzled]

No it doesn't. I just don't care.

College is a right, not a privilege. The concerns of snivelling college kids don't interest me as I view it as an extension primary school. They volunteered, and their parents are paying good money for them to go there. They don't have to be there, hence nearly everything else is irrelevant. My views on what "rights" they have are extremely limited. If they don't like it, don't go there. There's plenty of other deserving students who will take that opportunity.

Tempest in a teapot, if this is a major problem in your life then I'd love to have your life.

[Purplehood]

What does college have anything to do with this issue?

What does snivelling kids going to school on Daddy's dollar have anything to do with this issue?

What does old-farts using their GI Bill to go to school have anything to do with this issue?

The issue is that an authority is trying to stifle citizens from exercising their 1A rights because they espouse belief in their 2A rights.

Yet because of the context of the issue (college environment), it is a non-issue when in any other circumstance it would bring cries of outrage.

Continue to not give a hoot...but explain why it is good for the goose and not good for the gander.

[caldvn]

What does college have anything to do with this issue?

What does snivelling kids going to school on Daddy's dollar have anything to do with this issue?

What does old-farts using their GI Bill to go to school have anything to do with this issue?

The issue is that an authority is trying to stifle citizens from exercising their 1A rights because they espouse belief in their 2A rights.

Yet because of the context of the issue (college environment), it is a non-issue when in any other circumstance it would bring cries of outrage.

Continue to not give a hoot...but explain why it is good for the goose and not good for the gander.

[Liberty]

No it doesn't. I just don't care.

College is a right, not a privilege. The concerns of snivelling college kids don't interest me as I view it as an extension primary school. They volunteered, and their parents are paying good money for them to go there. They don't have to be there, hence nearly everything else is irrelevant. My views on what "rights" they have are extremely limited. If they don't like it, don't go there. There's plenty of other deserving students who will take that opportunity.

Tempest in a teapot, if this is a major problem in your life then I'd love to have your life.

The right to free speech and bare arms should be universal asthe the freedom of speech. We owe it to our young people to teach them to understand these fundamental rights and to stand up for them .. A student, working man/woman or retiree who won't stand up for their rights doesn't have much value as a human being. Heros on the other are people who are willing to stand up for what is right. We have enough gutless people and we should be encouraging people to stand up for the right things not belittling their efforts.

Did you know that there are a whole lot of students going to school that "Daddy" isn't paying for? Did you know that students are graduating owing up to $100k in debt ? On top of all that debt they have Obama Debt, and they will have to pay our social security and madicare, while they don't believe they will ever be able to collect themselves. I believe they deserve at least some respect for trying to improve themselves.

[KD5NRH]

They don't have to be there, hence nearly everything else is irrelevant.

One can say the same about parks, restaurants, and most other places, for that matter.

BTW, when I go back to school, daddy ain't footing the bill, nor is the government.

[74novaman]

No it doesn't. I just don't care.

College is a right, not a privilege. The concerns of snivelling college kids don't interest me as I view it as an extension primary school. They volunteered, and their parents are paying good money for them to go there. They don't have to be there, hence nearly everything else is irrelevant. My views on what "rights" they have are extremely limited. If they don't like it, don't go there. There's plenty of other deserving students who will take that opportunity.

Tempest in a teapot, if this is a major problem in your life then I'd love to have your life.

And the concerns of snivelling older people who complain don't concern me either. You don't have to work if you don't want to, so why should I care about the MPA, or Parking lot bills? You don't have to go work someplace where you feel the need for protection, so everything else about your "rights" are extremely limited. If you don't like not being able to carry in your parking lot at work, find another job. Let some other deserving worker take that job.

See how ill-informed that argument seems when its turned the other way?

[LaUser]

And then there is Liberty University, in Virginia.

Liberty's Young Democrats club - the first in school history - was formed during last fall's election season, and was given an award for "Up-and-Coming Chapter of the Year" by the Virginia Young Democrats in April. But earlier this month, Liberty VP Mark Hine wrote to club president Brian Diaz that the club's status was being dropped because it had supported candidates whose views were "contrary to the mission of LU and to Christian doctrine," even though the club itself was officially pro-life and anti-gay-marriage. Following a maelstrom of criticism, Chancellor Jerry Falwell Jr. offered to reinstate the club, providing it aligns itself with a pro-life, anti-gay Democratic group, and not the Democratic Party in general.

Only "right" thinking is allowed. I guess students of non-Christian faiths are very limited at LU since their faith is not "Christian." John McCain was right, they truly are the agents of intolerance.

[Oldgringo]

...bare arms...

[ELB]

And then there is Liberty University, in Virginia.

Liberty's Young Democrats club - ... etc etc...

Only "right" thinking is allowed. I guess students of non-Christian faiths are very limited at LU since their faith is not "Christian." John McCain was right, they truly are the agents of intolerance.

Your attempt to equate the actions Liberty University with the University of Lousiana and the Community College of Allegheny College is both superficial and wrong. U of L and CCAC are both publicly funded institutions -- they are the government. In the cases of Bennett and Brashier, the government is suppressing their First Amendment rights based on those students' views points. This is categorically and gravely wrong and unconstitutional (and it doesn't matter if Brashier and Bennett's attendance is a "privilege" or a "right;" by virtue of being government institutions, U of L and CCAC are required to respect the Constitution. The 'privilege/right of attendance' argument is foolish and irrelevant).

Liberty University is an entirely private university, and in their case they can set any rules they like -- this power is in fact protected from interference from the government by the same First Amendment, through the right of association. Liberty University is not a part of the government, and the restrictions of the First Amendment do not apply to Liberty Univ because those restrictions are on the government.

In Liberty University's case the rules are laid out in advance, the students can read them, and they can choose to attend or not. If they do, the follow the rules and Liberty agrees to teach classes according to a very specific "right thinking" philosophy. Although I am not particularly enamored of Jerry Falwell and the Liberty Univ, they are no more required accept or sponsor groups who oppose their purposes than the NRA would be required to accept and establish committees of members of the Brady Bunch. (In fact, you could set up your very own private association, and you could not be required to accept any members of who believe as Jerry Falwell -- you can practice your own brand of intolerance and be just as protected by the right to association.)

In the case of U of L and CCAC, the rules are also laid out in advance, and by virtue of being publicly funded schools for adults, those rules include the First Amendment, and the schools may not abrogate it.

The Foundation for Individual Rights in Education (FIRE), who is involved in at least on of the above cases, has a nicely written essay on exactly the situation with Liberty University. You should go read it: Liberty University, Free Speech, and the Private University .

[jamullinstx]

Stop feeding the troll, guys!

[seamusTX]

Stop reading the thread if you don't find it interesting.

- Jim