can we start or own contry

[powerboatr]

Texas, has it part of their coming into the United States
so shouldn't we invoke our privilege and leave the union
lets take LA, MS, AL, FL and OK with us
we would effectively control all of the OIL, and can set the bar.
close the borders and charge huge tariffs to the federal government for any thing they need like
peanuts, wheat, warships, bullets, OIL, etc

[davidtx]

I'm curious what percent of the US military is stationed in these states.

[A-R]

Texas, has it part of their coming into the United States
so shouldn't we invoke our privilege and leave the union
lets take LA, MS, AL, FL and OK with us
we would effectively control all of the OIL, and can set the bar.
close the borders and charge huge tariffs to the federal government for any thing they need like
peanuts, wheat, warships, bullets, OIL, etc

You can try. And I'll be standing there under the American Flag ready to stop you.

This nation went through a civil war once. We don't ever want to do so again no matter how bad we think it's gotten in Washington DC. It's a fun and interesting parlour game to talk of secession. But anyone who's serious about it needs to strongly consider what exactly it is they're saying.

(no offense, I'm hoping you're just asking the parlour game type question. But I'm a bit leery of that question these days - gets tossed around a lot with more seeming sincerity than I think it deserves).

[dcphoto]

Texas, has it part of their coming into the United States
so shouldn't we invoke our privilege and leave the union
lets take LA, MS, AL, FL and OK with us
we would effectively control all of the OIL, and can set the bar.
close the borders and charge huge tariffs to the federal government for any thing they need like
peanuts, wheat, warships, bullets, OIL, etc

That's a little short sighted. What would this new country do if the US government starts charging huge tariffs for the things the new country needs?

Peanuts are also grown in Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Virginia, but I'm sure the great peanut shortage of 2011 would cripple the US economy. Wheat is grown in nearly every state in the Union. A large number of warships are built along the east coast, NOT the southern coast. Bullets are manufactured all over the country. The Gulf of Mexico only produces 1/8 of the oil the US uses and 1/4 of the natural gas. In other words, if this new country decided to charge huge tariffs the remaining US could replace those resources elsewhere.

[Oldgringo]

At ease, guys.

Talk of secession, abbreviated profanity and/or innuendo ain't allowed on this here forum.

[marksiwel]

At ease, guys.

Talk of secession, abbreviated profanity and/or innuendo ain't allowed on this here forum.

[Mike1951]

Besides that, the belief that Texas has the right to secede is just a legend. It was included in a treaty that was never ratified.

We do have the right to divide into four additional states.

http://www.tsl.state.tx.us/ref/abouttx/ ... index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Texans voted in favor of annexation to the United States in the first election following independence in 1836. However, throughout the Republic period (1836-1845) no treaty of annexation negotiated between the Republic and the United States was ratified by both nations.

When all attempts to arrive at a formal annexation treaty failed, the United States Congress passed--after much debate and only a simple majority--a Joint Resolution for Annexing Texas to the United States. Under these terms, Texas would keep both its public lands and its public debt, it would have the power to divide into four additional states "of convenient size" in the future if it so desired, and it would deliver all military, postal, and customs facilities and authority to the United States government. (Neither this joint resolution or the ordinance passed by the Republic of Texas' Annexation Convention gave Texas the right to secede.)

In July 1845, a popularly-elected Constitutional Convention met in Austin to consider both this annexation proposal as well as a proposed peace treaty with Mexico which would end the state of war between the two nations, but only if Texas remained an independent country.

The Convention voted to accept the United States' proposal, and the Annexation Ordinance was submitted to a popular vote in October 1845. The proposed Annexation Ordinance and State Constitution were approved by the Texas voters and submitted to the United States Congress.

The United States House and Senate, in turn, accepted the Texas state constitution in a Joint Resolution to Admit Texas as a State which was signed by the president on December 29, 1845. Although the formal transfer of government did not occur until February 19, 1846, Texas statehood dates from the 29th of December.

Opposition to Texas' admission to the United States was particularly strong in the North during this period. If a challenge to the constitutionality of the move could have been made successfully at that time, there is little doubt that the leaders of the opposition would have instituted such a suit in the Supreme Court.

Narrative by Jean Carefoot
Texas State Library and Archives Commission April 1997

[frazzled]

I'm curious what percent of the US military is stationed in these states.

More than enough to insure that the legal ruling in Grant vs. Lee remains enforced.