Mass State Police disarm JetBlue co-pilot threatening harm.

[surprise_i'm_armed]

http://rr.com/news/topic/article/rr/900 ... ilot/full/

A JetBlue 2nd officer threatened harm, probably to himself,
in an email to an ex-girlfriend who was a flight attendant.

He was disarmed by Mass. State Police at Boston's Logan Airport,
but not charged with illegal possession of a weapon, which of course
the Mass LEO's will do in a heartbeat under the draconian Mass gun
laws.

So apprently this man was part of the Flight Deck Officer program where
pilots are certified and authorized to carry a sidearm while flying.

At the bottom of the article is a mention of the negligent discharge a while
back where the pistol discharged in a cockpit, sending a .40 through the
floor of the cockpit and exiting the plane. That sounds like a robust .40.
Holster design was blamed for the ND.

I didn't realize that the Feds authorized a certain weapon for the FDO's, but
apparently the FDO's get .40's, brand/model of gun not specified.

This is different from the .357 Sigs that the FAM's (Federal Air Marshals) carry.

I'm sure the Brady Bunch will be all over this story like lint on a blue suit.

SIA

[Keith B]

I heard other reports that he was indeed an FFDO and in the pilots lounge when he was making the generalized statements. He apparently was going through a breakup with his girlfriend.

As for the ND, the holster design they have is VERY poor IMO. A couple of my friends are FFDO's and they state the gun can be placed in the holster and not accidentally not seated all the way if you don't follow porceudre and snap the thumb break strap first and place the lock on it before seating the gun all the way in. If this happens, the hasp of the lock can actually go through the trigger guard IN FRONT of the trigger instead of behind it and in that condition if you push the gun down, BANG!



And, the weapons they are allowed to use are either Sig Sauer or H&K's. I think they started with Sigs, but have now added the H&K.

[surprise_i'm_armed]

KeithB:

Thanks for the picture of that very intricate looking
holster and lock combo.

Do you think they issue the FDO's .40's so that their
rounds can be contrasted with FAM's .357's during the
autopsy of the BG?

SIA

[seamusTX]

Do you think they issue the FDO's .40's so that their rounds can be contrasted with FAM's .357's during the autopsy of the BG?

Me? No. The intricacies of federal procurement are beyond human understanding.

This story is evolving. That is to say, we may never know what really happened.

JetBlue now says that the pilot was taken off duty for "health reasons" unrelated to any e-mail that he may or may not have sent.

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2010/05/ ... 24911.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

- Jim

[Liberty]

KeithB:


Do you think they issue the FDO's .40's so that their
rounds can be contrasted with FAM's .357's during the
autopsy of the BG?

SIA

The .357SIG has a repututation for penetration. the round will havea better chance of penetrating seats, or even another passenger to stop the eventual target. The .40 with a good defenive round has a good reputation for being capable of stopping its target. quickly and efficiently.

The scenario where the .40 cal would likely be used is inside the cabin. the .357 would be used in the passenger area.

[Keith B]

with Jim L and with Liberty.

[seamusTX]

If you have nothing better to do, go to http://news.google.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and search for "jetblue pilot boston." This story is getting as much attention as any flash in the pan.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and predict voluntary resignation for health reasons -> no criminal charges -> confidential personnel issue -> HIPAA -> Nothing to see here. Move along.

I never have understood why people can't just say, "We tried but it didn't work out. I wish you the best. Bye."

- Jim

[surprise_i'm_armed]

In the corporate world when someone gets canned....

John Smith has left to pursue other business opportunities.

SIA

[seamusTX]

Or "spend more time with his family."

- Jim

[Grog]

As for the ND, the holster design they have is VERY poor IMO. A couple of my friends are FFDO's and they state the gun can be placed in the holster and not accidentally not seated all the way if you don't follow porceudre and snap the thumb break strap first and place the lock on it before seating the gun all the way in.

I know how to fix that.

[gigag04]

In the corporate world when someone gets canned....

John Smith has left to pursue other business opportunities.

SIA

Similiar here in LE. If someone leaves on good terms we get a paragraph e-mail wishing him/her the best in future careers. If not, then we get a quick "as of XXXXXX is no longer an employee of the City of XXXXX and is not allowed in secure areas of the building without escort."

[Pete92FS]

I heard other reports that he was indeed an FFDO and in the pilots lounge when he was making the generalized statements. He apparently was going through a breakup with his girlfriend.

As for the ND, the holster design they have is VERY poor IMO. A couple of my friends are FFDO's and they state the gun can be placed in the holster and not accidentally not seated all the way if you don't follow porceudre and snap the thumb break strap first and place the lock on it before seating the gun all the way in. If this happens, the hasp of the lock can actually go through the trigger guard IN FRONT of the trigger instead of behind it and in that condition if you push the gun down, BANG!



And, the weapons they are allowed to use are either Sig Sauer or H&K's. I think they started with Sigs, but have now added the H&K.

I don't want to sound stupid but is that setup with the padlock for real? That's a joke - right?

[seamusTX]

That is the official TSA-approved locking holster that was rolled out some time between 2003 and 2008.

- Jim

[Pete92FS]

That is the official TSA-approved locking holster that was rolled out some time between 2003 and 2008.

- Jim

Thanks Jim - I guess it was a stupid question considering the government is involved. I can just see someone busting though the cockpit door and the pilot asking the culprit to hold on so he can unlock the gun from his hip or maybe the BG will politely knock on the door first.

[LarryH]

That is the official TSA-approved locking holster that was rolled out some time between 2003 and 2008.

- Jim

Thanks Jim - I guess it was a stupid question considering the government is involved. I can just see someone busting though the cockpit door and the pilot asking the culprit to hold on so he can unlock the gun from his hip or maybe the BG will politely knock on the door first.

The doors have been somewhat reinforced. I believe the theory is that it'll take the BG longer to break through the door that it'll take the pilot to unlock and draw.