Proposed www.texas3006.com changes

[terryg]

I sent the following message to the moderators of texas3006.com:

I think the site should add both a non-compliant signage and a not posted section. I like to check here before I go somewhere to see if it is posted.

But if a place isn't currently listed, that can mean it either is not posted or has improper signage OR that simply no one has yet checked.

The lack of a negative does not prove the positive.

The non-compliant signage is important because then each CHL can make the choice to either continue to legally enter past the non-compliant sign or choose to do business elsewhere because of an anti-gun stance.

Just my two cents

What do you think? Do you agree that this would make the site more useful?

[Keith B]

While it may make it more useful, it would potentially make the database so large it would be unmanageable. It also would require a MAJOR amount of moderator work as 99.9% of locations are not posted, but every entry would require a mod to approve them.

[Kythas]

I think it would make the site much more useful. Did I send that message to you? If not, then it's a message that I've been meaning to send for a while.

I disagree that the database would become unmanageable. Anyone with SQL skills would be able to write queries to pull whatever data needs to be pulled. In that regard, the number of records makes little difference in how a particular query is written if the database is properly maintained - at least, if the database is properly designed, and I've seen some horribly designed databases where pulling relevant data was like pulling teeth. The main area of concern would be hard drive space on the server on which the database files are located.

Yes, the number of records your mods will have to approve will increase by a large amount, but it would, in my opinion, make the site much more useful.

[bdickens]

Not every non-compliant sign is indicative of an anti-gun policy.

[Kythas]

Not every non-compliant sign is indicative of an anti-gun policy.

True, but it would be nice to be able to go to texas3006.com and see that a business is not posted or has a non-compliant sign.

Currently, when we check the site, all we know is a business is not in the database. That could be because they're not posted, or they could be posted but nobody's bothered to enter the business in the database. Having that business in the database designated as not posted will remove doubt about the ability to carry there.

[terryg]

Not every non-compliant sign is indicative of an anti-gun policy.

True. But it still lets each CHL holder make their own decision.

[propellerhead]

To include every place that's not posted would mean including every business in the yellow pages in every city in Texas. Who's gonna volunteer to collect that data and keep it current and accurate?

[terryg]

While it may make it more useful, it would potentially make the database so large it would be unmanageable. It also would require a MAJOR amount of moderator work as 99.9% of locations are not posted, but every entry would require a mod to approve them.

Yeah, your probably right - that would be a lot of entries. The only was I could see to keep it down is to have a single broad entry for known chains. Like all Home Depots or Wal-marts. But even still, it might be unmanageable.

This came up because I accompanied my wife to Clear Lake Regional Medical Center today. I couldn't find it listed on texas3006, but I assumed like many hospitals, that it would be posted. So I disarmed in the car. When I got to the door, I saw it had a total non-complaint sign. I thought it would have been nice to know this ahead of time.

But, perhaps its not really practical.

[terryg]

To include every place that's not posted would mean including every business in the yellow pages in every city in Texas. Who's gonna volunteer to collect that data and keep it current and accurate?

It may be too many entries to contend with. But if not, nobody has to go out and round them all up. People would continue to voluntarily enter the data just like they do now - as they come across a particular business. And if someone finds an error or a change, it gets submitted. But the real winner here would be that if a business isn't entered, the user KNOWS that it is because it simply has not yet been entered - either way.

[Barbi Q]

Doesn't gunburger or a similar site already list gun friendly?

[RPB]

I can see where you wouldn't want the entire Yellow Pages/Business directory for every city in Texas, but

I had thought about 2 hospitals which are not posted(Seton in small town, and Scott&White affiliate in small town)), while others in other cities of the same hospital group are (Austin/Round Rock Seton)

Having gone to 2 unposted ones and one posted one in the past 3 weeks, I put the posted one on 3006.com, and thought but didn't list the unposted ones.

[lrb111]

I'm against listing unposted or noncompliant signage. If they don't know how to do it right or follow corporate policy, it isn't my place to tell them how to ban me.

[The Annoyed Man]

Well, Russell, who owns texas3006.com and who built the whole thing by hand coding every line of it, has an enormous personal investment of his time and effort put into it. He is also a member here. He periodically posts threads here announcing upgrades or soliciting suggestions for future improvements.

As a website developer myself, If I were him I would love responses in those threads. I'm not sure I would receive threads like this, which seem like someone is trying to pressure me into doing something with my intellectual property, very kindly, particularly if it is pressure aimed at getting me to develop my website into a new mission.

I'm just sayin'....

[terryg]

Well, Russell, who owns texas3006.com and who built the whole thing by hand coding every line of it, has an enormous personal investment of his time and effort put into it. He is also a member here. He periodically posts threads here announcing upgrades or soliciting suggestions for future improvements.

As a website developer myself, If I were him I would love responses in those threads. I'm not sure I would receive threads like this, which seem like someone is trying to pressure me into doing something with my intellectual property, very kindly, particularly if it is pressure aimed at getting me to develop my website into a new mission.

I'm just sayin'....

Well TAM, I always value your opinion. However, in this case - I sure hope you are wrong. It was only a suggestion - one that I also posted directly to the texas3006 moderators. My intention was to vet the validity and usefulness of the idea with our CHL community. It was not intended to pressure the site developer or to criticize his excellent work. I provided the details of the event that prompted me to consider the usefulness of this change.

I also acknowledged, agreeing with Keith, that it might not be practical at all.

So, in case TAM is indeed correct:

To Russell: I apologize if this my suggestion was misconstrued as an attempt to pressure you into making the proposed changes. It was merely and suggestion - nothing else.

[The Annoyed Man]

Well, Russell, who owns texas3006.com and who built the whole thing by hand coding every line of it, has an enormous personal investment of his time and effort put into it. He is also a member here. He periodically posts threads here announcing upgrades or soliciting suggestions for future improvements.

As a website developer myself, If I were him I would love responses in those threads. I'm not sure I would receive threads like this, which seem like someone is trying to pressure me into doing something with my intellectual property, very kindly, particularly if it is pressure aimed at getting me to develop my website into a new mission.

I'm just sayin'....

Well TAM, I always value your opinion. However, in this case - I sure hope you are wrong. It was only a suggestion - one that I also posted directly to the texas3006 moderators. My intention was to vet the validity and usefulness of the idea with our CHL community. It was not intended to pressure the site developer or to criticize his excellent work. I provided the details of the event that prompted me to consider the usefulness of this change.

I also acknowledged, agreeing with Keith, that it might not be practical at all.

So, in case TAM is indeed correct:

To Russell: I apologize if this my suggestion was misconstrued as an attempt to pressure you into making the proposed changes. It was merely and suggestion - nothing else.

Well, I apologize for my part if I came on too strong. I just know from personal experience how hard it can be to re-task an application you've already written, unless you wrote it with scalability in mind. And like someone else said, the data set of posted locations is a very small subset of the total available data, and it would be a woolly booger to build a database like that.

That said, I do agree that such information would be useful, and perhaps it could be implemented. Anyway, I didn't mean to come on too strong.