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I need a new career! What are your thoughts? (warning, long)

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Hi folks! It's your resident wrecker driver forum member here, looking for some advice. :tiphat:

(I'm posting this on the forum because this is where I've found a concentration of intelligent people)





There's an old joke about the wrecker business. It's always up and down. And herein lies the problem. I have to face reality. And that reality is there's no steady paycheck, regulations change. Contract bids are rejected. Technology advances, company's get taken over, etc.

Recently, I was discussing all of this with a member of this forum. And she said something that really woke me up and helped me see the light, or at least the tunnel ahead. She said, "Your a middle aged man with family responsibilities and a high school education." Hearing that helped me overcome my reluctance to face the truth, and I sincerely thank her for that. If it wasn't for her I probably would have blown this off even longer than I have already.

So, here's the deal. I have a means of furthering my education. I think I can handle the cost of an associates degree or some sort of certification, and my heads in the right place. The thing is, I don't have any solid ideas of just what it is I should pursue. My fear is that (like some friends of mine) I get schooled in an area that has no job openings upon "release".

I've learned a lot from the members of this forum. I'm hoping to learn some more. If you were in my shoes, what careers what you pursue to insure you would be able to find a decent job with long term prospects?

I'm looking forward to your input, and thank-you in advance.
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Sounds like you like action. How about EMS? I don't know if an AA is enough, but something to consider.
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G26ster wrote:Sounds like you like action. How about EMS? I don't know if an AA is enough, but something to consider.
Basic EMT is (was?) 160 hours of instruction and clinicals. It goes up from there.
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I second or third a medical field.

I am an engineer in the software industry. I am convinced that in 20 years there will be no engineers or computer programmers left in the U.S. They will all be overseas. The whole business is completely portable. I just want to make it to retirement.

You can't export hands-on medical care.

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mctowalot wrote:Hi folks! It's your resident wrecker driver forum member here, looking for some advice. :tiphat:
I really feel for you. It may be a little bogus, but here is my advice.

First of all I don't know you, your education or life experiences, your desires, what you like or dislike or your strong and weak points. I will ask the question - what would you do if you didn't have to work to support yourself and your family? Answer that question and then go from there. I hope this helps in making this important decision. :tiphat:

P.S. Your post was not so long. I actually read the whole thing. ;-)
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I can kind of relate to your situation. When SWMBO decided she wanted to live nearer her folks, I quit a fairly high flying executive position in London and moved to the Panhandle. I was sure I'd find something similar. What I'd failed to take into account was the extent to which credentialism* has gained a stranglehold on this great nation. So I'm back in school (in my case a Master's) and I think you too are making the right decision to go back to school.

I agree with the others. You've written about how you feel blessed when you're in a position to help others, so I think EMT might be a great fit for you.

Best of luck, whatever you decide.

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I am a retired Civil Engineer, P.E. (Inactive) and managed large construction projects throught the southern states for firms who are now nearly all defunct. I wish everyday that I'd pursued some other field of endeavor, one with some agency that has some sort of decent pension plan. We're comfortable but our finances are finite, a good pension plan dies when you do.

Medicine is good. Teachers make pretty good money for 8 months work and have a real nice retirement package. Pretty much any career choice that does not have conversations ending with, "Do you want fries with that?" will require some sort of formal education.

Good luck.
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I need to chime in again. Beware of the high-priced "technical schools" where they claim that they will be able to place you after graduation. Most education can be had for much less money at a community college.
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Here's how I think job searches should be done. Get a piece of paper. Draw a line down the center. On the left side, put all the things you loved about the jobs you've had. On the right, put all the things you've hated about the jobs you've had. For example, if you hate getting up in the morning but you love being up late at night, put that down. If you hate wearing a suit and tie, put that down. If you hate doing the same thing over and over again but love variety and a change of pace every day, put those down. Take your time. Think about every job you've ever had; paper boy, McDonalds counter clerk, etc., etc.

Once you have a list you are satisfied with, think about the types of work that will provide the most pluses and the least minuses. Think in general terms, not specific, meaning industries, not specific businesses. For example; automotive, not sales or service or repair. Narrow that list down to the top three that interest you and that you think you would enjoy. If you have to do some research to figure that out, talk to friends and use the internet to Google the industries. Then call some folks in your area of interest and ask to talk to them.

Here's the script:
Hi, my name is Fred, and I'm considering a career change. I am not looking for a job, and if I were offered one, I would not accept it. At this point I am trying to gather information to decide what direction I want to head. Your industry is one that interests me and that I think I could excel in. Would you have a few minutes to answer some questions?
I used this technique and received multiple job offers while sitting at home unemployed. The highlighted portion is critical. Since you tell them you are not looking for a job, they will be at ease and willing to talk. They don't have time for job hunters, but they'll give someone who is interested in them and what they do all the time in the world.

I ended up taking a position for a much higher salary than I expected in an industry I never would have thought of. It was amazing how many people actually tried to convince me to work for them. "We need a go-getter like you" they would say. "I've never met anyone with such an interest in their career." Even if I said that I didn't have all of the qualifications they were looking for or I pointed out that they didn't have any openings, they tried to argue with me that the qualifications weren't that important or that they could always find a place for someone like me. The place I went to work at called (the HR manager) and begged me to come in for an interview. When I finally relented, while reminding them that I hadn't yet made a decision on career path and had no intention of accepting a job offer today, they had set up three consecutive interviews and a drug test! They were going to make darn sure that I didn't get away.

It was the unique approach to job hunting that intrigued them and made them want to hire me.

Using this technique I met with a number of people in different industries, all of them very busy managers, who gave me their time and shared their experiences with me. I would ask them what they liked and disliked about their business (not the company they worked for at the time), how they got to the position they are in, what they would do differently if they could do it all over again. You will find that people love to talk about themselves and what they do for a living, especially if they love their jobs. They'll tell you everything you need to know to decide if it's right for you. And they ask for nothing in return (except possibly please come to work for us), because you haven't asked anything of them.

I got all of this from a wonderful book that I highly recommend you either purchase or get from your local library: What Color Is Your Parachute?
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WildBill wrote:I need to chime in again. Beware of the high-priced "technical schools" where they claim that they will be able to place you after graduation. Most education can be had for much less money at a community college.
Very good point. Some of the commercials on TV for such schools strike me as distinctly dodgy - how can they guarantee a job? (Incidentally, by comparison, our local CC runs a CHL course and is donating a function room free of charge for a FONRA banquet).

The money in "education" is troubling. In my case, I'm taking my MS online, with an English university, for less than half the price it would cost at a local one.
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If anyone asked me right now, what to go to school for, I would say, without hesitation: Civil Engineering.

There's such a demand for Civil Engineers right now, it's ridiculous, and the pay is Very good for starting.
Our company had to hire 2 straight from school recently, because they're in such demand.

Can't do any sort of work for any government agency without an engineer's stamp on it.
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dicion wrote:If anyone asked me right now, what to go to school for, I would say, without hesitation: Civil Engineering.
You could well be right, and I don't want to argue with you.

However, when there is a labor shortage in a particular profession that requires a four-year college education, people pursue that field of study, and by the time they graduate there is a glut and they can't find a job. It is very chancy.

This has happened to teachers many times during my adult life.

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seamusTX wrote:However, when there is a labor shortage in a particular profession that requires a four-year college education, people pursue that field of study, and by the time they graduate there is a glut and they can't find a job.
That is when many [engineers] get their master's degree.

My best friend from college got a civil engineering degree, then a master's in geothermal engineering. He still is a PE, but got out of that profession many years ago. After working long hours and many years for an international consulting company he got tired of "making a lot of money for his employer" and started his own company. He bought some vending machine routes. For the last ten years he works three days a week running his company. His biggest problem is finding reliable workers who won't steal change from the machines.
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seamusTX wrote:However, when there is a labor shortage in a particular profession that requires a four-year college education, people pursue that field of study, and by the time they graduate there is a glut and they can't find a job. It is very chancy.
This is true. A couple of decades ago, a few buddies and I were advising kids to study RF engineering, because, with increasing digital clock speeds, RF effects were about to emerge, but (and this is key) industry had yet to acknowledge the fact. That was a good call and a lot of young people did well.

Fast forward 15 years and the recommendation was HVAC, because AC was poised to make the jump from commercial to domestic premises in the UK. Then the house price crach happened and the expansion was stillborn. That was a bad call, with hindsight.
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