reasons why we shouldn't allow campus carry.

[PRO]

Eons ago, it was a hot day at UT. I was wearing shorts, tee and sandals and put my wallet and everything else in my backpack. I set my backpack next to me during a test and somehow, someone stole it from under my nose. Had there been a weapon in it?????

But that is no different than if the same thing had happened at a public park, or at the beach, or at the mall, or at the.....

So basically, you're saying that there should be no CHL at all, since these things can happen anywhere if you're not attentive enough?

I’m not saying that there shouldn’t be CHL’s or not to allow them on campus, I was only trying to play devils advocate. Back then, I was irresponsible enough to have lost my wallet in the backpack. It was so easy for me to become wrapped up with the moment that a backpack at my feet disappeared. These days this would never occur as I’m always looking over my shoulder but when I was younger, I wasn’t. It took years and experience, mainly from joining a police department to develop the sense of responsibility that I have now.

Ahhhh. My bad. I apologize. I didn't pick up on the "devil's advocate" thing. If it makes you feel better, you were VERY convincing!

Thank you. The topic was ‘why we shouldn’t allow’ and the only argument I could come up with was the youth angle. Any other argument that I could think of is the same argument that they said would happen if concealed handguns were allowed in the first place. All those arguments have been proven wrong.

IMO, I think the biggest obstacle for campus carry is the diverse thinking associated with college campuses. Most of the students have always had everything handed to them and their greatest hardship is calling daddy when they run out of money. They believe they are protected by the system and there’s no need for a person to protect themselves. For a lack of a better example, it’s the PETA thinking. If you’ve ever truly been hungry, you would change your position on PETA. These are the students who’ll protest the loudest.

[RPB]

"youth angle"

You mean like at the elementary schools in the HARROLD school district?


Might be a custodian, might be a teacher, might be a secretary or the guy who does lawn maintenance, might be the lady who cleans the restrooms, ... at the school... Never know who might be armed at that elementary school, to protect the kids.

They carry "concealed"

If legal, a parent picking up their kindergartner from school to go to a doctor's appointment might be able to intervene to save his/her own life in the event of a crazy person invited by a "target rich area/defense free" sign in one of those "more risky/dangerous than other places" locations due to the invitation of free range time to those wanting to be more in control of victims than areas where they might encounter resistance.

[baldeagle]

The most realistic counter argument I've heard is that college campuses are high stress areas. They say that students are constantly pushed to their limits before and after tests and if they receive a bad grade, the student may just want to go on a killing spree.

And of course why is it false? Yes campuses have a lot of stressed out students, but those who are licensed by the state to carry a concealed handgun are the ones that have their bodies in check. These individuals don't shoot people over traffic incidents and other high stress activities, and to be heard now and forever more when talking about campus carry, "what makes a university different than everywhere else?"

They are also 21, which eliminates everyone but some seniors and "non-traditional" students. Campus carry isn't only for students. It's for us staff and the handful of faculty who believe in the 2A.

[PRO]

I’m not familiar with the Harold school district but I can give a personal example that is occurring in my life. Today my roommate’s son was to go to camp Pendleton. He is in the USMC reserves. When he has a Sgt. telling him what to do he’s one of the most mature and dedicated persons I know. He lives at his father’s house and when he’s home he becomes one of the stupidest persons who’ll ever walk the earth. Yesterday, he decided to start his going away party early, got drunk, wreaked his car and is now in the Wilco jail for a DUI. Prior to this, he had a dirty drug test and we were praying he wouldn’t get a dishonorable discharge. Without constant guidance this boy is a danger to himself and others. I know there are immature 50 year olds and extremely mature 21 years olds but I wouldn’t want Joseph to have a CHL. I guess now I won’t have to worry about it for 5 years.

[baldeagle]

another one, and i have to qoute "with conceal carry on campus, teachers will be terrified to fail a CHL holder."

And how would they know the person was a CHL holder? (Although I agree with the terrified professors part. Last year certain members of our faculty totally freaked out when campus carry came up in the legislature. No rationality whatsover.)

[baldeagle]

I have a CHL.

I support Campus Carry.

I teach college.

No way! It can't be!

[baldeagle]

I would see the professors carrying. Which to me would make the campus much safer.

Oh, wait. I'm not sure I want a liberal, socialistic professor carrying in class. He might shoot the students that disagree with him.

[RPB]

I’m not familiar with the Harold school district but I can give a personal example that is occurring in my life. Today my roommate’s son was to go to camp Pendleton. He is in the USMC reserves. When he has a Sgt. telling him what to do he’s one of the most mature and dedicated persons I know. He lives at his father’s house and when he’s home he becomes one of the stupidest persons who’ll ever walk the earth. Yesterday, he decided to start his going away party early, got drunk, wreaked his car and is now in the Wilco jail for a DUI. Prior to this, he had a dirty drug test and we were praying he wouldn’t get a dishonorable discharge. Without constant guidance this boy is a danger to himself and others. I know there are immature 50 year olds and extremely mature 21 years olds but I wouldn’t want Joseph to have a CHL. I guess now I won’t have to worry about it for 5 years.

Harrold School District, in Texas, grades Kindergarten - 12 allows licensed CHLs who are Employees, to carry.
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[PRO]

Harrold School District allows licensed CHLs who are Employees, to carry.

Really? Are they in Texas?

I live in a small town and every day the police blotter has 3 - 10 incidents requiring police intervention at the Hutto School. If I were a teacher, I wouldn't go to work without a weapon. I can't imagine what some of the more violent schools must be like. Perhaps if the teachers and professors banded together then CHL on campus and schools might change.

[RPB]

Harrold School District allows licensed CHLs who are Employees, to carry.

Really? Are they in Texas?

I live in a small town and every day the police blotter has 3 - 10 incidents requiring police intervention at the Hutto School. If I were a teacher, I wouldn't go to work without a weapon. I can't imagine what some of the more violent schools must be like. Perhaps if the teachers and professors banded together then CHL on campus and schools might change.

Yes, it's Texas

For more info Google
Harrold School District gun

You'll get a ton of info. They instituted a written policy for employees.

Schools can give permission under § 46.03. PLACES WEAPONS PROHIBITED.
1) on the physical premises of a school or
educational institution, any grounds or building on which an
activity sponsored by a school or educational institution is being
conducted, or a passenger transportation vehicle of a school or
educational institution, whether the school or educational
institution is public or private, unless pursuant to written
regulations or written authorization of the institution;
.

[dicion]

Harrold School District, in Texas, grades Kindergarten - 12 allows licensed CHLs who are Employees, to carry.
http://harroldisd.net/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And I'm sure they've had hundreds of shootings since then.. blood running in the streets, people waving guns around for no reason, people getting into gunfights over parking spots...

... wait? They haven't? There isn't? They Aren't?

Hmm.. maybe all these outrageous claims by the antis are just that... outrageous.

I'll say, and ask again, as I have asked many times before.

I carry my handgun on me in malls, movie theaters, grocery stores, sports bars (Bw3), restaurants, etc... and I haven't had the urge to randomly pull it out and shoot people yet...
... what's going to make me suddenly want to do it if I walk into the premises of a school? Do they lace the water with drugs that make people want to shoot each other or something?