Campus Carry and Property Rights

[ScottDLS]

Has anyone noticed that the HB 86 proposal for campus carry includes both private and public colleges? I'm not sure if it prohibits private colleges from using 30.06 notice to ban carry, but if it does, that is a lot bigger than a parking lot bill. A private college is a "private employer" as well, and it's interesting that they get completely stripped of authority to prohibit CHL on their premises, even through adverse employment action.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for it, but I'm just surprised that it seems to fly in the face of the private property owner rights that get trotted out re: 30.06 and parking lot bills. Personally, I'd like to see 30.06 changed to require specific oral notification in order to require someone to depart property otherwise open to the public. I'd also like to see it reduced to a class C misdemeanor for someone carrying under CHL.

[RPB]

I've noticed it, but ...
The author has been quoted saying something like it's an unfinished work; he wants to add an option for (so-called) "private" schools to opt out. (I seriously disagree, unless Private truly means private/no Federal or State dollars accepted through any type of grants etc.)



http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2010/11 ... round-two/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
"Simpson said he wants to file a substitute to his bill to allow private universities and colleges to opt out of the campus-carry law."
"Otherwise, any university or college in Texas could not stop “license holders from carrying handguns on the campus.”"

[KC5AV]

Most private colleges still get state and federal funding. Not sure if that hasn't anything to do with it, though.

[RPB]

Most private colleges still get state and federal funding. Not sure if that hasn't anything to do with it, though.

How many millions of Federal and State dollars does a "Private" school have to get before it's no longer "Private"?

Apparently way over 35 or 40 million per school, because if they only get 40 million or so from the government (our Tax dollars), they are still "private" it seems.

http://www.rochester.edu/news/show.php?id=3466" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The University of Rochester (http://www.rochester.edu" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;) is one of the nation’s leading private universities.
Through September 30, 2009 (year-old Stats) the University of Rochester received 131 awards for a total of
$34.5 million in funding.

[Charles L. Cotton]

Non-commercial private property should be subject to minimal regulation. Commercial property is different and I feel private universities are even more unique.

That said, I could agree to exempt private universities if they 1) have never taken one single penny of state or federal money; 2) have never had any tax exemption, tax reduction, or tax credit from a federal, state or local taxing authority; 3) have no public streets or publicly maintained streets, parks or other public-funded improvements anywhere on their campus; and 4) do not have a campus police department. If a "private" university wants to be exempt, then they truly need to be private; i.e. absolutely no tax money has every been spent on building or running the university, no tax breaks, and you can't act like a governmental entity by having a police force. If you want to give up all of that then fine, you can be exempt.

I have little sympathy with schools who want to claim they are private, yet get direct governmental benefits not available to any for-profit business entity.

Chas.

[Douva]

Has anyone noticed that the HB 86 proposal for campus carry includes both private and public colleges? I'm not sure if it prohibits private colleges from using 30.06 notice to ban carry, but if it does, that is a lot bigger than a parking lot bill. A private college is a "private employer" as well, and it's interesting that they get completely stripped of authority to prohibit CHL on their premises, even through adverse employment action.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for it, but I'm just surprised that it seems to fly in the face of the private property owner rights that get trotted out re: 30.06 and parking lot bills. Personally, I'd like to see 30.06 changed to require specific oral notification in order to require someone to depart property otherwise open to the public. I'd also like to see it reduced to a class C misdemeanor for someone carrying under CHL.

Representative-Elect Simpson, the primary sponsor of HB 86, has already announced that he's going to amend the bill to allow private colleges to set their own rules.

[terryg]

Has anyone noticed that the HB 86 proposal for campus carry includes both private and public colleges? I'm not sure if it prohibits private colleges from using 30.06 notice to ban carry, but if it does, that is a lot bigger than a parking lot bill. A private college is a "private employer" as well, and it's interesting that they get completely stripped of authority to prohibit CHL on their premises, even through adverse employment action.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for it, but I'm just surprised that it seems to fly in the face of the private property owner rights that get trotted out re: 30.06 and parking lot bills. Personally, I'd like to see 30.06 changed to require specific oral notification in order to require someone to depart property otherwise open to the public. I'd also like to see it reduced to a class C misdemeanor for someone carrying under CHL.

Yes I have noticed (viewtopic.php?f=90&t=39810" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;) and have contacted my state representatives asking them to support it in it's current form.

As an employee of a private university, this bill would mean the world to me personally. But more than that is the potential cultural change it could represent by counteracting the extreme liberal influence they are exposed to on our college campuses - at least for this single issue.