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#1 Finland: 84%
#2 Austria: 82%
#3 Sweden: 79%
#4 United States: 78%
#5 Denmark: 75%
#6 Norway: 68%
#7 Canada: 66%
#8 Switzerland: 64%
#9 Netherlands: 62%
#10 United Kingdom: 58%
#11 Australia: 57%
#12 Belgium: 48%
#13 Italy: 46%
#14 Germany: 45%
#15 Japan: 43%
#15 France: 43%
#17 New Zealand: 42%
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AndyC wrote:http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_m ... per-capita

Murders (per capita):

# 1 Colombia: 0.617847 per 1,000 people
# 2 South Africa: 0.496008 per 1,000 people
# 3 Jamaica: 0.324196 per 1,000 people
# 4 Venezuela: 0.316138 per 1,000 people
# 5 Russia: 0.201534 per 1,000 people
# 6 Mexico: 0.130213 per 1,000 people
# 7 Estonia: 0.107277 per 1,000 people
# 8 Latvia: 0.10393 per 1,000 people
# 9 Lithuania: 0.102863 per 1,000 people
# 10 Belarus: 0.0983495 per 1,000 people
# 11 Ukraine: 0.094006 per 1,000 people
# 12 Papua New Guinea: 0.0838593 per 1,000 people
# 13 Kyrgyzstan: 0.0802565 per 1,000 people
# 14 Thailand: 0.0800798 per 1,000 people
# 15 Moldova: 0.0781145 per 1,000 people
# 16 Zimbabwe: 0.0749938 per 1,000 people
# 17 Seychelles: 0.0739025 per 1,000 people
# 18 Zambia: 0.070769 per 1,000 people
# 19 Costa Rica: 0.061006 per 1,000 people
# 20 Poland: 0.0562789 per 1,000 people
# 21 Georgia: 0.0511011 per 1,000 people
# 22 Uruguay: 0.045082 per 1,000 people
# 23 Bulgaria: 0.0445638 per 1,000 people
# 24 United States: 0.042802 per 1,000 people

There are tons of stats you can play with, but it's interesting that these stats are compiled by the UN, UNESCO, etc, etc :cool:
I find those numbers interesting. Nations like the UK, New Zealand and Australia that pretty-much prohibit handguns do not appear in the top 24.
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Purplehood wrote:I find those numbers interesting. Nations like the UK, New Zealand and Australia that pretty-much prohibit handguns do not appear in the top 24.
Maybe it's because they can rob gunless victims with just a good beating. Biggest thug wins.
I'd be more interested in violent crimes numbers.
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I remember reading somewhere that you are more likely to get physically assaulted in the UK then in the US. I'll try and hunt down the source.
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MasterOfNone wrote:
Purplehood wrote:I find those numbers interesting. Nations like the UK, New Zealand and Australia that pretty-much prohibit handguns do not appear in the top 24.
Maybe it's because they can rob gunless victims with just a good beating. Biggest thug wins.
I'd be more interested in violent crimes numbers.
I kinda consider murder as violent.
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Purplehood wrote:I find those numbers interesting. Nations like the UK, New Zealand and Australia that pretty-much prohibit handguns do not appear in the top 24.

And the numbers were no doubt manipulated so that people would draw exactly that conclusion. Outside purely scientific endeavors statistics are mostly presented to advance an agenda of one kind or another, be it commercial or political. In my experience I can't recall a single instance when I've seen statistics objectively and transparently presented where either money or ideology is a concern of those presenting them. I highly doubt there is any statistic coming out of anything related to the UN that isn't politically motivated. And even in the technical realm when money and politics aren't an issue and the facts themselves are not in dispute, I've rarely seen people agree on their interpretation.
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VMI77 wrote:
Purplehood wrote:I find those numbers interesting. Nations like the UK, New Zealand and Australia that pretty-much prohibit handguns do not appear in the top 24.

And the numbers were no doubt manipulated so that people would draw exactly that conclusion. Outside purely scientific endeavors statistics are mostly presented to advance an agenda of one kind or another, be it commercial or political. In my experience I can't recall a single instance when I've seen statistics objectively and transparently presented where either money or ideology is a concern of those presenting them. I highly doubt there is any statistic coming out of anything related to the UN that isn't politically motivated. And even in the technical realm when money and politics aren't an issue and the facts themselves are not in dispute, I've rarely seen people agree on their interpretation.
I don't dispute that. They may have washed the numbers to show only murder by firearms. They may have made up the numbers for all I know.
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Purplehood wrote:
MasterOfNone wrote:
Purplehood wrote:I find those numbers interesting. Nations like the UK, New Zealand and Australia that pretty-much prohibit handguns do not appear in the top 24.
Maybe it's because they can rob gunless victims with just a good beating. Biggest thug wins.
I'd be more interested in violent crimes numbers.
I kinda consider murder as violent.
OK. Numbers that include ALL violent crimes is what I meant.
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Why isn't El Salvador on the list? That's the home of MS-13 and MS-19 gangs
(Mara Salvatrucha, <sp?>). I had heard one report that stated that
El Salvador had the highest rate of deaths by murder in the world.

Of course, news is like the weather report. Listen to 2 different sources
and get widely divergent information.

I know a man from El Salvador who lived through the bad times there,
when the government soldiers were killing people on a whim. He was
extorted for thousands of dollars by bad guys.

Even though he lives
in Texas now, if he ever travels back to El Salvador to visit his family,
the family keeps his visit very hush-hush so that he's not harmed or robbed
since he's now a rich Americano (NOT). They can't mention his upcoming visit
to anyone since the walls have ears, and bad guys may come after him.

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Anybody else notice China is NOWHERE on the list?
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lkd wrote:Anybody else notice China is NOWHERE on the list?
Probably impossible to gather statistics. Do summary executions of civilians by Chicom security forces or secret police count? Death due to abuse in gulags?
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I do not see Iraq and Afghanistan? Or, Occupied countries do not count?
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